[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
') There is no reason for people to be more fastidious about such things then the gods are.

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he rules of war (Geneva Conventions) are predicated on the assumption that both parties in a conflict will follow the rules of war, i.e. their soldiers will all wear uniforms, target only military installations, and not torture, etc.

[POAlex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')here you go. Nothing about humans sending other humans to hell. Nothing to support the idea of Christians torturing other people, or being in favor of torture.

[Plantagenet]

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')here you go. Nothing about humans sending other humans to hell. Nothing to support the idea of Christians torturing other people, or being in favor of torture.

[vision-master]

The Ankh and the Cross

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Ankh.svg/130px-Ankh.svg.png[/img]

The long standing importance of the Ankh, and its deep symbolism to the dynastic Egyptians, lead to it being gradually adopted by the very early Christian church in Egypt (which eventually became the Coptic Church). This is highly significant, as it is almost certainly the genesis of the cross, as the central thematic symbol of the Christian religion.

A kind of cross, the ankh, had long been a central religous symbol. It was non-anthropormorphic, not even animal-like. The gods had all been animal faced-human figures. Anknaton's benevolent sun, was the only other symbol that was so esoteric.

This cross implied all the "god ideas" that are very infinite in nature. As monotheism is at the core of Christian beleif, the ankh seemed a good choice to symbolize the belief in one all powerful God. Over time, the idea that his son had died on a kind of cross, made it seem, all the more appropriate. To other Christians, outside of the ankh's influence, the image the roman cross of execution was 'shameful" in the manner that a hanging noose would be, or headsman's ax.

The association in Egypt of the ankh cross with both God the Father, and Jesus the Son, felt right. Elsewhere, the main christian symbol at the time had been a stylised alpha, resembling a fish, and therefore known as Ichthys, the Greek word for fish. However, the new "more positive" symbol of a cross eventually spread throughout the Christianized Empire. The distinct circular or "gothic arch-like" upper part of the Ankh was kept well into mediaeval times.

The Ankh symbol often was being used as a Christian talisman. The illustration, here, of a Christian 3th Century bust with a transitional "ankh becoming a cross", was found in the 1960s in the Fayuom ,Egypt, acheological region. It was often worn as an amulet to extend one's life and placed on the mummy to energize the resurrected spirit.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Christianity is all about torture. The whole subtext of Christianity is to scare people into converting by threatening them with eternal torture in hell.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]US interrogators may have killed dozens, 8 tortured to death

United States interrogators killed nearly four dozen detainees during or after their interrogations, according a report published by a human rights researcher based on a Human Rights First report and followup investigations.

In all, 98 detainees have died while in US hands. Thirty-four homicides have been identified, with at least eight detainees — and as many as 12 — having been tortured to death, according to a 2006 Human Rights First report that underwrites the researcher’s posting. The causes of 48 more deaths remain uncertain.

[3aidlillahi]

Not only does torture kill the detainees, it actually, by the words of interrogators, caused many American deaths because it flames the hatred against Americans. If you remember, Nick Berg wasn't beheaded until after Abu Ghraib. It wasn't until after people realized how hypocritical we were that the insurgency really got under way.

People who support torture are not only supporting an immoral and inhumane practice, they are also supporting and leading to the deaths of American soldiers and civilians. The same people that they think they're saving from torture are the ones they are killing with it.

[jasonraymondson]

Torture is a natural byproduct of human nature, to deny torture is to deny that which makes us human, and when you do that, the terrorist win.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')

You are right.

[rangerone314]

Kind of makes you long for the good old days, when you had people like the Shah of Iran with his secret police to torture people. Kind of sucks to have to do your own dirty work, but I guess if you want it done right, you have to do it yourself!

For some reason I keep thinking of that scene in "Narnia: Prince Caspian" when Miraz has that Narnia dwarf captured in front of the council and Miraz accuses the Narnians of abducting Prince Caspain when it was Miraz who tried to bump off Caspian himself. Then Miraz smacks the dwarf in the face, and the dwarf looks up at him and says "And you wonder why we don't like you."

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')orture is a natural byproduct of human nature, to deny torture is to deny that which makes us human, and when you do that, the terrorist win.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')orture is a natural byproduct of human nature, to deny torture is to deny that which makes us human, and when you do that, the terrorist win.

[Fishman]

"caused many American deaths because it flames the hatred against Americans"
Er, um, except for the bombing of the Kenya, Tanzania embassies, etc. and 9/11 (except forthose that don't believe). I don't recall us treating them nice beforehand made a rat's asp difference.

DAMN that Nancy Pelosi!! She knew, encouraged more torture, War CRIMINAL I SAY!!!

hah hahhh

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '&')quot;caused many American deaths because it flames the hatred against Americans"
Er, um, except for the bombing of the Kenya, Tanzania embassies, etc. and 9/11 (except forthose that don't believe). I don't recall us treating them nice beforehand made a rat's asp difference.

DAMN that Nancy Pelosi!! She knew, encouraged more torture, War CRIMINAL I SAY!!!

hah hahhh

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')r, um, except for the bombing of the Kenya, Tanzania embassies, etc. and 9/11 (except forthose that don't believe). I don't recall us treating them nice beforehand made a rat's asp difference.

[dukey]

this is the symbol of America

[Plantagenet]