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Should Uncle Sam Actively Seek Out & Deport Illegals?

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 May 2009, 13:30:35

Being lazy myself, I welcome all kinds of lazy people. Brownish people would do better in this climate than I do, being a blotchy pinkish color as I am. My husband is a lazy blotchy pinkish person also, and very good at figuring out the easy way to do things. Laziness is the mother of invention. :)
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 01 May 2009, 13:34:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')eing lazy myself, I welcome all kinds of lazy people. Brownish people would do better in this climate than I do, being a blotchy pinkish color as I am. My husband is a lazy blotchy pinkish person also, and very good at figuring out the easy way to do things. Laziness is the mother of invention. :)


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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 01 May 2009, 14:20:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '[')I don't hate whites at all.


yeah, right. You just want more illegal Mexicans and what not overhere so they can put a turd on a white man's plate. What happened is, flapjax, that you wanted to be white but mean white people told you that you just aren't. And there is nothing you can do about it.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', ' ')I don't put us all together in piles; whites over here, blacks over there, those in between somewhere in the middle.

That's because you don't have a race, Flapjax. You felt like an outcast all your life and you want nobody to have a race, you want everybody to be a mongrel just like yourself.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 May 2009, 14:25:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 's')o they can put a turd on a white man's plate



I have never heard of that happening! 8O

Oh yeah, I'm not a white man. Maybe that's why I've never heard of it. :roll:
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Aaron » Fri 01 May 2009, 14:26:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '[')I don't hate whites at all.


yeah, right. You just want more illegal Mexicans and what not overhere so they can put a turd on a white man's plate. What happened is, flapjax, that you wanted to be white but mean white people told you that you just aren't. And there is nothing you can do about it.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', ' ')I don't put us all together in piles; whites over here, blacks over there, those in between somewhere in the middle.

That's because you don't have a race, Flapjax. You felt like an outcast all your life and you want nobody to have a race, you want everybody to be a mongrel just like yourself.


HawkMan dude...

Mongrel?

As in animal husbandry?

Freudian much?
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 01 May 2009, 14:37:28

Although no one in my family has the beautiful combination of blue eyes and yellow hair I still believe it's a very special and unique racial characteristic of Caucasians that's well worth preserving. It's sad when so people these days favor and even applaud its extinction through interbreeding. It's a tragedy, in fact.

One would think Greenpeace and the rest of the assorted preservationists would be all over this one. In Mexico it was once a common trait and now it's muy raro. You never see them among the illegals caught crossing.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 01 May 2009, 14:54:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')lthough no one in my family has the beautiful combination of blue eyes and yellow hair I still believe it's a very special and unique racial characteristic of Caucasians that's well worth preserving. It's sad when so people these days favor and even applaud its extinction through interbreeding. It's a tragedy, in fact.


Well worth preserving?.......There are times I have to admit (VM sorry if I was hard on you before) that images just can't say it better

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby flapjax » Fri 01 May 2009, 14:59:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '[')I don't hate whites at all.


yeah, right. You just want more illegal Mexicans and what not overhere so they can put a turd on a white man's plate. What happened is, flapjax, that you wanted to be white but mean white people told you that you just aren't. And there is nothing you can do about it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', ' ')I don't put us all together in piles; whites over here, blacks over there, those in between somewhere in the middle.

That's because you don't have a race, Flapjax. You felt like an outcast all your life and you want nobody to have a race, you want everybody to be a mongrel just like yourself.


You can define me however you want. I'd probably just look mexican to you anyways lol. You want to arm wrestle?

What happened is, Pretorian, you have nothing special about you at all exept that you are white, so you cling to it as if it makes you better than others; your only accomplishment - having been born. keep kidding yourself, I'm not going to even try and stop you.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby flapjax » Fri 01 May 2009, 15:18:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 's')o they can put a turd on a white man's plate



I have never heard of that happening! 8O

Oh yeah, I'm not a white man. Maybe that's why I've never heard of it. :roll:


They might put an enchelada on there. You gotta love Mexican food. If for any reason they should come over here I would hope it would be to feed my belly :)
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 May 2009, 15:23:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')One would think Greenpeace and the rest of the assorted preservationists would be all over this one.



Probably because there isn't any real danger of that regional variation going extinct anytime soon. Look to the northern latitudes. :)

Being blonde and blue-eyed in Mexico (or Texas, for that matter), isn't the greatest idea.

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:11:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Probably because there isn't any real danger of that regional variation going extinct anytime soon. Look to the northern latitudes. :)




Caucasians (thanks Eastbay for the spelling tip) evolved low pigmentation in northern latitudes because they needed to maximize the ability to absorb vitamin D. As global warming turns the northern latitudes warmer and sunnier who knows, maybe natural selection will weed them out.

That together with all the mongrels we are breeding with these interracial marriages should dilute these pure breds.

Do you guys understand the concept of hybrid vigor (Heterosis) . That the offspring of genetically difference individuals within the same and closely related species (botany) often show characteristics of unusual vigor due to the wider spectrum of genes they inherit from each parent together with some inexplicable resilience that seems to happen the greater the divergence of genes that are inherited from each parent.......

These mongrels are going to take over......think Tiger Woods.......and Barack Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

P,S, Eastbay, I confess when I was 12 years old I had a poster in my room of Bridget Bardot on a motorcycle that I spent countless hours staring at that inspired a wealth of fantasies.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:29:54

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:33:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '[')I don't hate whites at all.


yeah, right. You just want more illegal Mexicans and what not overhere so they can put a turd on a white man's plate. What happened is, flapjax, that you wanted to be white but mean white people told you that you just aren't. And there is nothing you can do about it.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', ' ')I don't put us all together in piles; whites over here, blacks over there, those in between somewhere in the middle.

That's because you don't have a race, Flapjax. You felt like an outcast all your life and you want nobody to have a race, you want everybody to be a mongrel just like yourself.


HawkMan dude...

Mongrel?

As in animal husbandry?



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Main Entry: mon·grel
Pronunciation: \ˈmäŋ-grəl, ˈməŋ-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, probably from mong mixture, short for ymong, from Old English gemong crowd — more at among
Date: 15th century
1: an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains ; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2: a cross between types of persons or things
— mongrel adjective
— mon·grel·i·za·tion \ˌmäŋ-grə-lə-ˈzā-shən, ˌməŋ-\ noun
— mon·grel·ize \ˈmäŋ-grə-ˌlīz, ˈməŋ-\ transitive verb


Its a proper English word , one of a few English words that is really English.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:37:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', ' ')As global warming turns the northern latitudes warmer and sunnier who knows, maybe natural selection will weed them out.


I'm pretty sure solar exposure has to do primarily with latitude, not temperature. But maybe if it's warmer folks will be able to stay outside longer and get more Vitamin D. But not likely to require darker pigment for protection from the sun. How dark northern folks get in a low-energy future will probably depend on how much dark pigment genetics have been introduced into the population, not on climate change, seems to me.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:42:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Wow, this may be the most racist thing I've read here. Right to the top. Nothing personal, mind you, but I'm sure we'll be reading and hearing more and more such racist nonsense as the economy deteriorates and the process of scapegoating accelerates.

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Read my post again. I said a lifeboat I would be a mamber of would not JUST have a bunch of whining causaisions and would have people of color. Now you tell me what is racist about such a diverse group of people? . I didn't say wouldn't have caucasions. I said wouldn't have JUST caucasions. And if are looking at the demographics here on the USA of the past 50 years of the race with the most self entitlement than this is just plain and simple white people. On the other hand because I have spent so much time in developing countries when I come back to the USA I do see that self entitlement knows no boundaries and is prevalent in this country regardless of race, religion or creed. A white Bosnian farmer probably has less of a sense of self entitlement than the average African American citizen.

In your concern about racism if we made a poll here on Peakoil.com and asked members what race they belonged to how many of these whining idealistic doomsday, adolescent, frightened posters do you think would be people of color??



Just did. Same conclusion.

You interestingly selected only Whites as (fill in derogatory descriptors). Why not suggest you wouldn't want to be in a lifeboat with lazy Blacks, or lazy Jews, or lazy Mexicans, in each race we find plenty of of lazy people. If you had balanced it by stating you wouldn't want to be in a lifeboat with anyone regardless of race if they're lazy.... etc..., then it would have been non-racist.

Why select out only lazy Whites? This makes no sense and is patently racist. But it's cool ... we all have some racism in us. Anyone stating otherwise about themselves is either delusional or lying.

Regarding this board, I bet it's about the same percentage as people of non-color (wow, what a strange anachronistic categorization), such as some Asians, or some Whites, or some Mexicans and other Latin Americans, because we here at po.com mostly come from a demographic group consisting of concerned people... mostly White, of course, but non-Whites here are similarly concerned about The Great Disaster, which is why they're here. Which is why I'm here. We're here because we want to understand and prepare for this Great Disaster. Fantasizing about who would be or who would not be useful in a lifeboat based on race is silly, pointless, and serves only to fan the flames of racism. And we already have enough of that.

btw, it's 'Caucasians'. :)


I agree. Ultimately the transition toward a sustainable society will encompass all races and nationalities. The big challenge for caucasians will be that by and large that they have the farthest to fall in terms of adjusting to a smaller energy footprint. Community is also generally speaking more of a challenge for caucasians. I lived 10 years in Europe, 20 years in the US and 20 years in Mexico, Philippines, Thailand and other developing countries. I speak from my own personal experience in terms of what I observed regarding community cohesiveness of different cultures races I have lived in. Caucasians will also have the challenge to adjust to sharing power and resources with other groups. This will prove hard if we look at their track record for example of when they first arrived in North America or Australia or South America and of course if we look at the consumption habits of Europe and North America during the past 100 years.

Now granted part of our problem here is nationalism. Our european brothers could argue that it is not white people but Americans who are the problem in terms of self entitlement and individualism.

And then again one can say it is socio-economic. It was just the affluence. If Chinese acheive economic prosperity in this century can we expect an improvement or will their sustainability ethics looking at their track record plunge us more quickly into overshoot.

So we have race, socio-economic factors, nationalism... All at work here.

Of course in the end we all end up where we feel most adaptive in terms of the groups we associate with. I know what that means for me. It is different for everyone.

I actually agree with you Eastbay that we have to make efforts to find our commonality and not reinforce our differences.

When you delve into these complications then you can't help but think about how easy it was when we lived in small tribes. I think this huge mixing of races and cultures is part of our solution however.

Even though they will persist no one religion or race or nation can really quite take seriously their believe in their arrogance and superiority when our diverse global civilization with all its diversity is staring us in the face every day.

On a final note caucasians will have to take a deep breath and accept their karma as a collective race in terms of how they will adjust in the next 100 years as they become an increasing minority vs. the hegemony they enjoyed during the past 100 years.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:49:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')wins:

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So ? You don't know how it happens? How old are you?
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:52:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
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So ? You don't know how it happens? How old are you?



:lol:

I think you might be a little confused.

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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:53:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Probably because there isn't any real danger of that regional variation going extinct anytime soon. Look to the northern latitudes. :)




Caucasians (thanks Eastbay for the spelling tip) evolved low pigmentation in northern latitudes because they needed to maximize the ability to absorb vitamin D. As global warming turns the northern latitudes warmer and sunnier who knows, maybe natural selection will weed them out.

That together with all the mongrels we are breeding with these interracial marriages should dilute these pure breds.

Do you guys understand the concept of hybrid vigor (Heterosis) . That the offspring of genetically difference individuals within the same and closely related species (botany) often show characteristics of unusual vigor due to the wider spectrum of genes they inherit from each parent together with some inexplicable resilience that seems to happen the greater the divergence of genes that are inherited from each parent.......

These mongrels are going to take over......think Tiger Woods.......and Barack Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

P,S, Eastbay, I confess when I was 12 years old I had a poster in my room of Bridget Bardot on a motorcycle that I spent countless hours staring at that inspired a wealth of fantasies.




Ibon, have you heard of outbreeding depression? Or may be you know how many generations heterosis lasts, when it happens?
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:53:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
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So ? You don't know how it happens? How old are you?



:lol:

I think you might be a little confused.



well , enlighten me then.
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Re: Uncle Sam says

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 May 2009, 16:57:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
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well , enlighten me then.



Read up on genetics, I linked to an article about "black and white" twin genetics.
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