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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 12:52:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'K')inda sad if you ask me, docs perfectly willing to prescribe stuff that occasionally causes people to commit suicide or mass murder; but lets involve the FBI and DEA before prescribing something that might make you feel a little goofy before you go to sleep.


That's a pretty gross misscharacterization. The link between anti-depressants and suicide is sketchy at best. Any link to mass murder or that sort of thing is purely the fantasy of the defense attorney. Meanwhile the most common cause of drug related death in the US is overdosing on oral prescription narcotics. We get that look of dread when patient's want narcotics because patients frequently lie and/or try to manipulate us either because they're addicted to narcotics themselves or because they're making money selling their pills. What's going through our heads is the twenty phone calls we're going to get about how you need more, more, MORE narcotics. The lame stories about how you lost your prescription. The calls from the pharmacist when you steal a prescription pad and try to write yourself a bunch of narcotics. We get that look of dread because narcotics are always a pain in the butt. They lead to a ton of discord between patients and doctors and they lead patients to Golem like obsession. Actually speaking of Golem, that character was based on a heroin addict, so it's a pretty accurate portrayal of what narcotic addiction looks like.


Which furthur impacts the legitimate palliative care of patients with actual pain-relief needs.

I got that attitude from attending physicians recovering from severe breaks in both my tibia bones. I spent a rather substantial amount of time in some pretty severe pain over this topic in fact, so I'm probably not the most unbiased source of information.

Became something of a lush actually, self-medicating with alcohol to manage pain.

So thanks everyone out there "gaming" the system for a buzz... my nervous system salutes your narcissism.
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 19:47:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'W')hich furthur impacts the legitimate palliative care of patients with actual pain-relief needs.


Absolutely! There is definitely a balance to be struck with narcotics, and I don't mean to ignore that. I'm just saying. Between writing a script for percocet or prozac, I know for sure which one is going to be more likely to keep me awake at night wondering if I'm helping my patient or hurting them. The place where I had a practice in Montana, the local pain clinic was infamous for taking people with relatively minor pain problems and putting them on insane doses of narcotics. I had a patient that came from them. She had TMJ and they had her on so much stuff and had built her tolerance up so high, you literally could have probably murdered 5 normal people with the amount of opiates she was using in a day. I don't think that helps anyone either. It's a delicate balance with narcotics.
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sat 25 Apr 2009, 21:47:37

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Given your issue with anger, this may be what you need to allow you to interact without losing your cool.



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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby coyote » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 02:00:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'O')TOH, I have patients that come to me and tell me about how their life is really crappy and they don't want to get out of bed in the morning and they're super irritable and grumpy with their spouse and their kids.

I would mainly defend the existence of these medications for the people who literally cannot get out of bed in the morning. They're out there - folks who simply cannot function at times and whose lives will fall apart without these miracle drugs. Once upon a time, we threw them in cells and locked them away from society. Now they can have lives. One of the few advances we've made lately that strikes me as genuinely positive.

I feel similarly about ADD medications: probably massively overprescribed and, horribly, forced on a generation of kids who don't need them - but still amazingly helpful to those with genuine clinical issues.
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby Micki » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 09:29:54

And are you aware of this?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Economic Stimulus Bill Mandates Electronic Health Records For Every Citizen Without Opt Out Or Patient Consent Provisions

The Institute for Health Freedom (IHF) warns that the economic stimulus bill mandates electronic health records for every citizen without providing for opt-out or patient consent provisions. "Without those protections, Americans' electronic health records could be shared -- without their consent -- with over 600,000 covered entities through the forthcoming nationally linked electronic health-records network,"

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/136558.php
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 10:29:58

That EHR thing, to me, is terrifically alarming. With a system that big, there is no concievable way to have meaningful security oversight. It essentially means that anything you say to a doctor using the system, you might as well just post it to your myspace page. It also means that your medical records are going to be incredibly vulnerable to being hacked, and either destroyed or edited illicitly.
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby medicvet » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 00:00:29

I was misdiagnosed and given incorrect medications for many years. Finally, only a little over a year and a half ago, a medicine that was beneficial without sideffects that were too severe were prescribed with me, and that is seroquel. I also take amitriptalin and lorazepam. It has managed to get me to a more stable frame of mine than I can remember having had in a long, looong time.

But it was a long hard road to get to that point.
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby jbrovont » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 05:50:41

Drugs obviously affect the individual in unique ways. In some cases I understand they can cause psycosis of various varieties. Also, in cases of severe depression, people also become "apathetic." When they first start treatment, they get more energetic, but they are still depressed - sometimes unfortunately, they finally get the "motivation" to commit suicide.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'M')any anti-depressants like say Prozac, are known to frequently increase suicidal tendencies in the intital weeks or months of use.


I agree here. Mood altering drugs aren't usually intended for continuous use - they're supposed to be used to "get people back on track." Some people are biologically more "vulnerable" to mental illness than others, but studies have shown recovery is more about relationships, support and addressing the source of illness than the drugs used. Without the whole process people who might otherwise recover and no longer need treatment can get "stuck" on the drugs.

Mental illness usually get's "triggered" by a stressor. Health and stress free lifestyle isn't a real strong point for us, but addressing the triggers and sometimes go a long ways towards recovery.

Something tells me this doesn't keep big pharma from drifting off to their happy lunesta dreamland on pillows stuffed with your HSA dollars.

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')What I however find most concerning is the general push to create a nation of pillpoppers and then limit their rights for being mentally ill. It's a stealth declaration of incapacity of large portions of the population.
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 10:21:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('medicvet', 'I') was misdiagnosed and given incorrect medications for many years. Finally, only a little over a year and a half ago, a medicine that was beneficial without sideffects that were too severe were prescribed with me, and that is seroquel. I also take amitriptalin and lorazepam. It has managed to get me to a more stable frame of mine than I can remember having had in a long, looong time.

But it was a long hard road to get to that point.



That's a fairly typical experience of folks with mental illness. It took me a few years to get the right medication. My sister was in and out of the hospital for about 5 years after her last serious episode, before she was put on a combination that works for her. Now she is finally able to have a part-time job!

The docs don't know how these drugs work, or even what causes the illnesses, so it's really a shot in the dark to try to treat them.
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 10:26:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', '
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Mental illness usually get's "triggered" by a stressor. Health and stress free lifestyle isn't a real strong point for us, but addressing the triggers and sometimes go a long ways towards recovery.



This is an important point for folks who are trying to be healthy. Our way of life makes it almost impossible to have a low-stress life, just getting through a "normal" day of crowds, traffic, noise, inactivity, fast food, etc, is extremely stressful for the human being. Unfortunately this aspect of illness isn't addressed much by physicians. Usually they just shove a pill at you, when they should be addressing diet, sleep, exercise, etc at least as much as medication. :x
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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby medicvet » Wed 29 Apr 2009, 13:16:25

I know what you mean about triggers. I get them at the oddest of times and places. Like in the summer when driving down a country road and smelling roadkill. Or if I can hear the life flight chopper coming into our local hospital to pick up someone to take to a better hospital.

Things on a tv screen won't always do it to me though, but then again, I rarely watch war movies or movies with gratitious violence. But going down to McAlester to where the Army weaons depot is will set me off if I hear them practicing the bombs. I can feel in inside before I ever hear it.

It did talk a lot of different meds. I have ptsd, with thinkgs like ocd and panic disorder and agoraphobia that fall under that umbrella. I was once misdiagnosed bipolar..well, in any case, they say it might be what they call 'rapid cycling'. All I know is that I am still fighting the VA , and thanks to the FOIA, they are releasing more and more of my records, and now I have a shitload pile of paperwork to go through to winnow it all out and find out the most pertinent parts that directly relate to my claim.

They did try me on prozac, and I remember that one pretty well, because it got me totally hyper, and they said it was making me go manic and stopped it on me. I have never felt that hypter before or since.

I am a membe of NAMI myself, and wish others would look into it as well...it is not just for the mentally ill, but all who are concerned or someway involved in this:


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Re: MothersAct:Take the amfetamine or else....

Unread postby Micki » Tue 02 Jun 2009, 21:10:17

Just came across this interview that was quite interesting.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hitaker originally was a highly regarded medical reporter at the Albany Times Union and also wrote off and on for the Boston Globe. A series he co-wrote for the Boston Globe on harmful psychiatric research was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in 1998. When he began his investigative research into psychiatric issues, Whitaker was still a believer in the story of progress that psychiatry has been telling the public for decades.

He said, "I absolutely believed the common wisdom that these antipsychotic drugs actually had improved things and that they had totally revolutionized how we treated schizophrenia. People used to be locked away forever, and now maybe things weren't great, but they were a lot better. It was a story of progress."

That story of progress was fraudulent, as Whitaker soon found out when he gained new insight from his research into torturous psychiatric practices such as electroshock, lobotomy, insulin coma, and neuroleptic drugs. Psychiatrists told the public that these techniques "cured" psychosis or balanced the chemistry of the brain.

But, in reality, the common thread in all these different treatments was the attempt to suppress "mental illness" by deliberately damaging the higher functions of the brain. The stunning truth is that, behind closed doors, the psychiatric establishment itself labeled these treatments as "brain-damaging therapeutics."


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n recent years, the media have heralded the arrival of so-called designer drugs like Prozac, Paxil and Zyprexa that are supposed to be superior and have fewer side effects than the old tricyclic antidepressants and the first antipsychotics. Millions of Americans have believed this story and have enriched drug companies like Eli Lilly by spending billions of dollars annually to purchase these new medications.

Whitaker's research into the tragic cases of disease, suffering and early deaths caused by these drugs shows that millions of consumers have been misled by a massive campaign of lies, distortions, and bought-and-paid-for drug trials. Eminent medical researchers who have tried to warn us of the perils of these drugs have been silenced, intimidated and defamed. In the process, the Food and Drug Administration has become the lapdog of the giant pharmaceutical industry, not its watchdog.


http://www.naturalnews.com/011353.html
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