[Micki]

Mothers Act has been dusted off and is being fast tracked without public debate.
If it goes through all new mothers should have their mental health tested....and if necessary be prescribes psychpharmaca.

And a real kick in the teath is that the full name of the bill is "The Melanie Blocker Stokes MOTHERS Act"
after Melanie Blocker who after being prescribed cocktail of intensely controversial psychiatric drugs including anti-psychotic, anti-anxiety, and anti-depressant drugs before being subjected to electroshock treatment ended up committing suicide.
They name the act after someone they killed. Their arrogance knows no boundaries.

http://discoverandrecover.wordpress.com ... e-stopped/

http://mothersact.wordpress.com/

[Jotapay]

What is the bill number? I can't access the site at work.

[coyote]

Okay, grain of salt time:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')ntidepressants - which have shown to be no more beneficial than placebo

[RonMN]

Quote:
antidepressants - which have shown to be no more beneficial than placebo

Beneficial or harmfull? That statement says nothing about how harmfull antidepressants may be.

[Micki]

Many anti-depressants like say Prozac, are known to frequently increase suicidal tendencies in the intital weeks or months of use.
What I however find most concerning is the general push to create a nation of pillpoppers and then limit their rights for being mentally ill. It's a stealth declaration of incapacity of large portions of the population.

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]Quote:
antidepressants - which have shown to be no more beneficial than placebo

Beneficial or harmfull? That statement says nothing about how harmfull antidepressants may be.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'I')t's a stealth declaration of incapacity of large portions of the population.

[jasonraymondson]

Are you all Scientologists?

These drugs do have effects and in a lot of cases they help real people. Regardless of the fact that a lot of people shouldn't be prescribed medication and are, certain people do need it and it does help them.

Normally the people who speak out against psychology are people who were diagnosed with some sort of nutitude but are too narcissistic to accept that they are flawed, so they attack psychology as a coping mechanism. This can turn into a very vicious cycle and can have profound effects on society as a hole. Which is why I believe that people who are diagnosed with a severe mental disorder should be forced to see 3 more psychologists for verification and if all four agree on the diagnoses then the person should be restrained regardless of family or personal wishes until they are willing and able to see for themselves the danger they pose.

We must protect society from those that can't and won't protect society from themselves.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'A')re you all Scientologists?

These drugs do have effects and in a lot of cases they help real people. Regardless of the fact that a lot of people shouldn't be prescribed medication and are, certain people do need it and it does help them.

Normally the people who speak out against psychology are people who were diagnosed with some sort of nutitude but are too narcissistic to accept that they are flawed, so they attack psychology as a coping mechanism. This can turn into a very vicious cycle and can have profound effects on society as a hole. Which is why I believe that people who are diagnosed with a severe mental disorder should be forced to see 3 more psychologists for verification and if all four agree on the diagnoses then the person should be restrained regardless of family or personal wishes until they are willing and able to see for themselves the danger they pose.

We must protect society from those that can't and won't protect society from themselves.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')hese drugs do have effects and in a lot of cases they help real people. Regardless of the fact that a lot of people shouldn't be prescribed medication and are, certain people do need it and it does help them.

[Micki]

So is it agreed concencus then that a trend towards making prozac and other psychopharmaca mainstream as the common method of treating depressions is a bad and that the use of such drugs already has gone overboard (possibly through push by be the pharmacutical industry chasing profits rather than more alltruistic healthcare motives) ??
And further that such a trend towards increasing use of such drugs combined with classification of the users as being Known maybe as possible mental cases (yeah, it is eerily similar to how no fly list names are treated as terroists) is going to be limiting to the freedoms of the classified subjects?

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'S')o is agreed consensus then that a trend towards making Prozac and other psycho-pharmacology mainstream as the common method of treating depressions is a bad and that the use of such drugs already has gone overboard (possibly through push by be the pharmaceutical industry chasing profits rather than more altruistic health care motives) ??

[jupiters_release]

People are not psychotic, their society and culture are.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'P')eople are not psychotic, their society and culture are.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'S')o is it agreed concencus then that a trend towards making prozac and other psychopharmaca mainstream as the common method of treating depressions is a bad

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'N')ormally the people who speak out against psychology are people who were diagnosed with some sort of nutitude but are too narcissistic to accept that they are flawed, so they attack psychology as a coping mechanism.

[smallpoxgirl]

I feel pretty conflicted about the whole anti-depressant thing. I really can't imagine ever using one myself and I do think that on a societal basis we really are drugging people so that they better tolerate our deeply dysfunctional society. OTOH, I have patients that come to me and tell me about how their life is really crappy and they don't want to get out of bed in the morning and they're super irritable and grumpy with their spouse and their kids. The drugs really do make those things better. It's definitely not something I would push on someone, but if they are feeling bad enough about their life to come and ask for my help for it, I don't really see where I should refuse.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')ersonally, I like the improved quality of life I experience because of antidepressant and antipsychotic.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'K')inda sad if you ask me, docs perfectly willing to prescribe stuff that occasionally causes people to commit suicide or mass murder; but lets involve the FBI and DEA before prescribing something that might make you feel a little goofy before you go to sleep.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')hey lead to a ton of discord between patients and doctors and they lead patients to Golem like obsession. Actually speaking of Golem, that character was based on a heroin addict, so it's a pretty accurate portrayal of what narcotic addiction looks like.