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Re: Drug test before you get your unemployment bennies

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 18:43:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you paid into the system, if you are unemployed for a reason OTHER than doing soething illegal (your company went bankrupt), you are owed this money REGARDLESS of what your lifestyle is.


Amen, brother. What's next? What other government services shall we deny to drug users? (and again, I saw wake up America -- all you Desperate Housewives are drug users too, with your Ambien, your Prozac, your klonopin, your loritab, your xanax etc. etc. etc.)

So, I guess we'll be denying public education to any student who smokes a joint. Next, we'll close the emergency room doors to anybody who can't pass a state drug test. Then, we'll hold back the fire trucks and let their houses burn down.

And when we've done all that, we'll swing back full circle to cuts in unemployment comp again. Having rid the system of druggies, perhaps we'll resort to denying benefits to all left-handed midgets. Oh, and deny bennies to anybody who listens to hip-hop or country music -- that'll save some money for sure.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to the article, the person being tested would be paying for the test, so what difference does it make how much the tests cost? It's not like anyone important has to pay...


Oh, but of course, this is Florida! We have no state income tax (tax haven for the rich), so you betcha the state will make a nice profit on the drug tests themselves.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')very day on my way to work I see more and more folks pulled over because the police force has increased its need to pick your pocket while you are on your way to make money, pay taxes, and provide for police salaries.


Again, this what you get when your state is a tax haven for the rich. The cops harass the lower classes to drum up citation money. About a month ago, my elderly mother drove perhaps TWO HUNDRED feet down the road to get her morning newspaper. Boom.. $75 citation for not wearing a seatbelt.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was talking to a group of guys on extended unemployment that can't find a decent paying job because they either have a criminal record, they're casual drug users, or they have a poor driving record.


This is another MAJOR problem in Florida, and nationwide. We've arrested and locked up so many people in this country (vast majority being DUI and drug offenses) that we now have a seething mass of people with a record. Thanks to Zero Tolerance background checks, we have a huge population who CANNOT get work. How is this helpful to society? To leave a life of criminality and government dependence the only options left?
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Re: Drug test before you get your unemployment bennies

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 18:46:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')left-handed midgets.


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Re: Drug test before you get your unemployment bennies

Unread postby MarkJ » Thu 19 Mar 2009, 07:55:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was talking to a group of guys on extended unemployment that can't find a decent paying job because they either have a criminal record, they're casual drug users, or they have a poor driving record.

This is another MAJOR problem in Florida, and nationwide. We've arrested and locked up so many people in this country (vast majority being DUI and drug offenses) that we now have a seething mass of people with a record. Thanks to Zero Tolerance background checks, we have a huge population who CANNOT get work. How is this helpful to society? To leave a life of criminality and government dependence the only options left?


Yes. Local jails are full of people incarcerated for low level drug offenses, DUI, failure to pay child support etc. When they're released, they often can't find decent paying jobs, or decent housing due to their lack of income, criminal record, missing work history and/or suspended/conditional driver's license.

Unless they have friends or family to help, they often end up back in the system since they can't afford an apartment, phone, heat, electric, food, clothing, necessities, vehicle/insurance/maintenance/repairs/gas, child support and other past debts.
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Re: Drug test before you get your unemployment bennies

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Thu 19 Mar 2009, 16:21:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is another MAJOR problem in Florida, and nationwide. We've arrested and locked up so many people in this country (vast majority being DUI and drug offenses) that we now have a seething mass of people with a record. Thanks to Zero Tolerance background checks, we have a huge population who CANNOT get work. How is this helpful to society? To leave a life of criminality and government dependence the only options left?
How about the now very common act of checking credit and denying people employment for simple BAD CREDIT? In a depression, bad credit is and will be a pandemic, and not getting a job because of your credit score is particularly galling..

That "Seething mass of people" is growing by leaps and bounds.
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Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 02:31:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON – In the coming weeks and months, hundreds of thousands of jobless Americans will exhaust their unemployment benefits, just when it's never been harder to find a job.

Congress extended unemployment aid twice last year, allowing people to draw a total of up to 59 weeks of benefits. Now, as the recession drags on, a rolling wave of people who were laid off early last year will lose them.


Bye Bye Unemployment

This should really get the social unrest revved up by summertime. Its one thing to be unemployed but still get a Goobermint Welfare Check every month, its yet another to have ZERO money coming in to even buy gas to look for work.

If you figure we have been working our way upward to about 600,000 new jobless very month since the collapse began, each month now you should see a similar number of people losing their benefits.

Now of course, many of them are going to shack up with relatives, but in many communities everybody in your Tribe is Unemployed. How about that town in Indiana a few months back that had the DHL plant close down, putting about 90% of the town population out of work? How many months is it now since all the Lehman secretaries and stockbrokers walked out of Lehman with their office possessions in a cardboard box?

The MSM is now stating we have "turned the corner", "investor confidence is up" based on rising Stock Market prices, while we still have GM on the verge of Bankruptcy and a year's backlog of unresold foreclosed McMansions. The commercial Real Estate market is a time bomb about to go off, and Fannie Mae reports PRIME mortgages now in default are upticking, at double the rate they were last year at this time. The official Unemployment figures are set to jump into Double Digits by June at the latest, even Geithner is warning of increasing unemployment coming down the pipe here. But not to worry, Unemployment is a lagging indicator, and investor confidence is UP! Right.

The stock market is going up because all the Toilet Paper Ben Bernanke dished out to the banks has to go SOMEWHERE, and they aren't loaning it out, so where else would it go but into the stock market? So now we just need to wait for "investor confidence" to drop here with the next bombshell, and all the recently printed trillions will again burn up as the stock prices drop.

I'm sorry, there has to be a disconnect here soon. You can't have another million people out of work and now out of bennies every couple of months without SOMETHING happening. The Clock is Ticking, I can hear it all the way up here on the Last Great Frontier. Its drumming loudly, along with those hoofbeats I hear coming right behind. The Four Horsemen are on their way to a Theatre Near You.

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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby sameu » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 04:15:38

exactly
how on earth could teh economy be recovering aka everbody back consuming, when the effects of the first big wave of the unemployed are just starting?
no money = no consumption
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 05:09:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Reverse Engineer', 'C')ongress extended unemployment aid twice last year,


What's to prevent Obama and Pelosi from extending this a third time?
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 05:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('[s]Reverse Engineer[/s]', 'C')ongress extended unemployment aid twice last year,


What's to prevent Obama and Pelosi from extending this a third time?


I didn't write that, its in the quote I used as setup for the post.

In theory, nothing will stop Obama and Pelosi from extending this, just it will make the Unemployment scheme the same as the Welfare scheme. Perpetual Dole of course. It also increases the obligations in the budget to funding Unemployment in perpetuity. The Unemployment "Insurance" scheme isn't designed to do that. Particularly once you get more than around 10% of the workforce unemployed, the amount being paid IN to the fund versus the amount being paid OUT by the fund goes out of balance. So you would have to Tax, Borrow from the Chinese or Print more Money. Door #1, Door #2 or Door #3 Monte?

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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby deMolay » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 06:51:48

The unofficial Unemployment rate is actually about 17% according to some authors. Because many are out of unemployment claims and are no longer counted officially as unemployed. Which brings forward that old saying. "Figures Lie and Liars Figure."
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 09:11:13

I think cbrx55 and his wife are both running on juice? To run out this fall.
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby endtimes » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 10:03:01

the town was Wilmington in Ohio not Indiana.it is close to Columbus.
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 10:03:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')he unofficial Unemployment rate is actually about 17% according to some authors. Because many are out of unemployment claims and are no longer counted officially as unemployed. Which brings forward that old saying. "Figures Lie and Liars Figure."




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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby MarkJ » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 10:43:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')undreds of thousands of jobless Californians could see their unemployment benefits extended under legislation approved Monday by the Assembly.

The measure would extend a lifeline to an estimated 469,000 out-of-work residents whose benefits otherwise would expire this year.

Federal stimulus funds would bankroll an extra 20 weeks of unemployment benefits for Californians who exhaust the 59 weeks available now
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 11:55:35

Funny thing to consider.. all these impoverished people who had checks under a Republican administration are destined to lose those checks under a Democrat administration WITH a Democrat congress.
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 12:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'F')unny thing to consider.. all these impoverished people who had checks under a Republican administration are destined to lose those checks under a Democrat administration WITH a Democrat congress.



I am sure they will keep passing extensions. It's only funny money now anyway.
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby blukatzen » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 13:42:31

Just for the fyi, my company's business is set up for "Seasonal" garcen center work, ie. from April-August, we then take a month off, then come back for October for the "Pumpkin Patch". Only 2 stores are open for Yule tree/greens.

I just came out of a manager's meeting last Thursday, with our HR person telling us that we (as hiring managers) should watch out for folks wanting to become employed due to being able to claim us AFTER our season is over, saying "they weren't TOLD" we were a seasonal business.
Usually, seasonal businesses are exempt from having person's file unemployment on them, it is now sending us into a higher unemployment tax bracket. We now have it pasted on our website, and all over our sheets for job applications.

People are now looking for a job to get further unemployment benefits, we are told. Fancy that!!

We're waiting to open up the stores this week, just having received a few inches of snow last night. It's melting now, but still, it's not the kind of weather we want for the early Spring shopper. Yet, this weather is not unheard of here... :cry:

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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 13:43:59

I'm not saying I agree with them, but according to the bean counters unemployment is a "lagging indicator," whereas the stock market is a "forward indicator." So, they're saying we're on the upswing now and it will just take some time for J6P to feel it.
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby JoeW » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 14:04:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I')'m not saying I agree with them, but according to the bean counters unemployment is a "lagging indicator," whereas the stock market is a "forward indicator." So, they're saying we're on the upswing now and it will just take some time for J6P to feel it.

My paycheck is still waiting for the 2001 recession to end.
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby MarkJ » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 08:25:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Indiana extending jobless benefits by 13 weeks

The high number of out-of-work residents collecting jobless benefits in Indiana has triggered an automatic 13-week extension of unemployment benefits.

The extended benefits program is for those who have already collected up to 26 weeks of state benefits and up to 33 weeks of federal claims. Those in the program can collect unemployment for up to 13 additional weeks, but they must apply for three jobs a week and must accept any job that pays at least minimum wage.

“This extension marks a last resort for Hoosiers who have exhausted up to 59 weeks of unemployment benefits,” Teresa Voors, commissioner of the Indiana Department of Workforce Development, said Tuesday. “It comes with much stricter requirements than previous benefits.”

he program automatically kicks into gear in Indiana when the insured unemployment rate — the percent of people collecting state unemployment benefits from the entire pool of workers covered by state unemployment — reaches a 13-week average of 5 percent. Extended benefits packages have already been triggered in 14 other states.


http://www.courierpress.com/news/2009/m ... s-13-weeks
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Re: Unemployment Bennies Countdown

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 12:25:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The extended benefits program is for those who have already collected up to 26 weeks of state benefits and up to 33 weeks of federal claims. Those in the program can collect unemployment for up to 13 additional weeks, but they must apply for three jobs a week and must accept any job that pays at least minimum wage.

“This extension marks a last resort for Hoosiers who have exhausted up to 59 weeks of unemployment benefits,” Teresa Voors, commissioner of the Indiana Department of Workforce Development, said Tuesday. “It comes with much stricter requirements than previous benefits.”


So of course every middle manager and IT specialist now has to take minimum wage jobs in order to retain unemployment benefits. So this should quickly drive down wages in ALL fields to the minimum wage. Why would you pay your Network Engineer $100K a year, when there is an unemployed network engineer who MUST take minimum wage if he is to have any income at all? Why would you pay a carpenter on your housing development $70K, when there are thousands of unemployed carpenters who HAVE to take minimum wage now?

Of course, paying all these folks minimum wage means they certainly can't keep up with the payments on the McMansions you built, so said McMansions go into foreclosure. Where are the rich people who will buy the McMansions if everyone is forced down to minimum wage?

Anyhow, there aren't even enough minimum wage jobs out there to keep everyone employed, so the question is when do they STOP calling this "Unemployment" and start calling it Welfare? Clearly once these payments stop, that is when the society goes ballistic. Can we keep 20-30% of the society on Welfare for very long with Toilet Paper? For how long?

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