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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 10:07:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'I')'m just reporting facts, data and observations from real world experience in the construction, housing and job market. I never stated anything about my personal thoughts on housing prices, housing demand, housing bubbles etc.


Mark, I'm sorry the reporting you do is transparent in its spin, and underlying a lot of it is the implicit assumption that the housing market in Sarasota Springs is going to remain strong, the properties will retain their value, rich folks will continue buying condos on Lake George, etc. Your "reporting" about what you have observed in the qualities of the Homeless population with respect to drug abuse and sexual deviation, even in this most recent post clearly demonizes them, but also doesn't reflect the qualities of the homeless population we see being created NOW, though I am sure they will have all these problems in the future. Once their financial underpinings have been removed, people become very unstable, they even commit suicide and kill all their children. See the Going Postal and Falling Stockbrokers Watch Thread

You appear to feel immune to all this, removed from it and above it all, a passive observer of the landscape. You are not. Your attitude by itself is abhorrent, but beyond that you appear so thoroughly deluded by your wealth that you really think you will remain above it all. You will not. Unless you own all your properties free and clear, unless you can pay all the taxes on them as you foreclose on people who cannot pay them, the empire you have is going to crash down around you, as sure as the Sun sets over the horizon each day. If you have construction loans you took to build subdivisions or build Malls or build Nanotechnology plants, you will see them fail here in cascade fashion, as the rest of the economic system is failing in a cascade fashion. You also will become one of the Homeless, one of the Poor. Until you give up the denial, this is your fate. An economic collapse of this magnitude is a great leveller Mark, and I will tell you right now your investments are close to worthless, and if you hold a lot of debt used to create those assets, you are WAY poorer than I am. I live well by the work I do each day, which has value in any economy. You wealth can disappear in an instant, because its measured in fiat money, and trust me, its disappearing now as we speak. Its all burning up int he Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in all of Recorded History.

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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby MarkJ » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 10:32:17

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Once their financial underpinings have been removed, people become very unstable, they even commit suicide and kill all their children. See the Going Postal and Falling Stockbrokers Watch Thread


Yes, I mentioned similar experiences with unstable people in the Mass Suicide thread in the current events section.

Once people lose their jobs, they often lose their sense of confidence, worth, savings, investments, home(s), vehicles, possessions, credit rating, spouse, family, friends, etc.

These things often lead to depression, anger, vengeance, vandalism, risky behavior, drug use, alcohol use, suicidal thoughts etc.

Employees terminated during a tight job market often suffer from these thoughts or actions.

To many people, their job or career *is* their life, so the impact of losing their job is much greater.
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 10:43:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
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Once their financial underpinings have been removed, people become very unstable, they even commit suicide and kill all their children. See the Going Postal and Falling Stockbrokers Watch Thread


Yes, I mentioned similar experiences with unstable people in the Mass Suicide thread in the current events section.

Once people lose their jobs, they often lose their sense of confidence, worth, savings, investments, home(s), vehicles, possessions, credit rating, spouse, family, friends, etc.

These things often lead to depression, anger, vengeance, vandalism, risky behavior, drug use, alcohol use, suicidal thoughts etc.

Employees terminated during a tight job market often suffer from these thoughts or actions.

To many people, their job or career *is* their life, so the impact of losing their job is much greater.


None of that could EVER happen to YOU though. I notice here a complete AVOIDANCE of the other points in my last post. Very significant.

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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby MarkJ » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 10:49:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ark, I'm sorry the reporting you do is transparent in its spin, and underlying a lot of it is the implicit assumption that the housing market in Sarasota Springs is going to remain strong, the properties will retain their value, rich folks will continue buying condos on Lake George, etc


Actually, I was just talking with a developer about how I believe we'll have an unsustainable large surplus of luxury condos, luxury apartments and luxury homes.

Waterfront homes had such a short-term ramp in price (plus matching taxes) that I'm surprised that prices haven't fallen substantially.

Although many of us profit from growth, many of us still don't like the growth due to increasing traffic, noise, commercial blight, plus over-population and/or destruction of village, town, suburban and rural areas.

On the other side of the coin, much of the younger generation complain that many of us oppose what we believe to be unsustainable growth or commercial blight since we have "I've Got Mine" attitudes.

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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby MarkJ » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 10:55:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
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Once their financial underpinings have been removed, people become very unstable, they even commit suicide and kill all their children. See the Going Postal and Falling Stockbrokers Watch Thread


Yes, I mentioned similar experiences with unstable people in the Mass Suicide thread in the current events section.

Once people lose their jobs, they often lose their sense of confidence, worth, savings, investments, home(s), vehicles, possessions, credit rating, spouse, family, friends, etc.

These things often lead to depression, anger, vengeance, vandalism, risky behavior, drug use, alcohol use, suicidal thoughts etc.

Employees terminated during a tight job market often suffer from these thoughts or actions.

To many people, their job or career *is* their life, so the impact of losing their job is much greater.


None of that could EVER happen to YOU though. I notice here a complete AVOIDANCE of the other points in my last post. Very significant.

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Hey, You never know.


Some posts are so long, or have so much noise that I don't comment on all the points.
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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter

Unread postby MarkJ » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 11:02:53

In many areas they'd be reported, rousted, charged with trespassing, plus social services would try to convince them to apply for emergency housing and other public assistance benefits.
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 11:06:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
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Hey, You never know.

Some posts are so long, or have so much noise that I don't comment on all the points.


You never know. I just call 'em as I see 'em Mark, if you dont care to comment, this is your problem, not my problem.

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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 11:06:30

Many ski bums camp in makeshift tents around the Aspen mt's.
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby Auntie_Cipation » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 13:36:48

Guess I'm a mite confused then. When I read MarkJ's comments earlier in the thread, he seemed to be saying "trouble? what trouble? ev'rything's just fine over here, what're y'all so upset about?"

Which is clearly an illusion -- wealthy places are affected by economic downturns differently -- and on different timescales -- than less wealthy areas, but affected they certainly are.

And of course, if the implication was "just do like us wealthy folks do [acquire useful skills, keep a good credit rating, sell yourself well to potential employers, etc] and all your problems will be solved", that's a whole other bag of nonsense. I'm as big an advocate of responsible decisionmaking as there is, and I have little tolerance in my immediate circle of friends and family for irrational or shortsighted behavior, but as I've learned recently, you can't succeed on a community level if your solution requires all your community members to be intelligent and make only responsible decisions -- that's just not reality.

But if that's not where you're coming from, MarkJ, then 1) I apologize for my comments, and 2) wouldja mind explaining what your main point IS then?
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby Jack » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 15:55:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')i]"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" Matthew 19:23-24


That's why you need to find someone inside, turn them, and gain entry through covert means.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall." Proverbs 18:11


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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 16:11:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's why you need to find someone inside, turn them, and gain entry through covert means.


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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 17:26:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '
')But if that's not where you're coming from, MarkJ, then 1) I apologize for my comments, and 2) wouldja mind explaining what your main point IS then?


Mark doesn't have a main point. He reports History like its Current Events.

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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 17:52:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '
')But if that's not where you're coming from, MarkJ, then 1) I apologize for my comments, and 2) wouldja mind explaining what your main point IS then?


Mark doesn't have a main point. He reports History like its Current Events.

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as the 'all seeing eye'. :mrgreen:
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 18:08:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '
')But if that's not where you're coming from, MarkJ, then 1) I apologize for my comments, and 2) wouldja mind explaining what your main point IS then?


Mark doesn't have a main point. He reports History like its Current Events.

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as the 'all seeing eye'. :mrgreen:


I was thinking along the lines of The Guardian of Forever. We are looking into a window at 2005 as though its the present.

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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 18:11:25

Maybe things are still looking good for Mark. He could be setup well enough where this depression won't have much impact on him?
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Apr 2009, 18:19:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'M')aybe things are still looking good for Mark. He could be setup well enough where this depression won't have much impact on him?


Its not a Depression. Its a Monetary System Collapse. It impacts everybody. Anyone who engages in commerce anyhow. If Mark was a subsistence permaculture farmer with no real estate investments, it wouldn't affect him that much. However, since we know he HAS real estate investments, it HAS to affect him. He writes however from up on high, as though none of this could possibly touch him.

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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby lowem » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 09:36:06

And off we careen toward Orlov's Stage 3 ...
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby MarkJ » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 07:55:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '
')But if that's not where you're coming from, MarkJ, then 1) I apologize for my comments, and 2) wouldja mind explaining what your main point IS then?


Mark doesn't have a main point. He reports History like its Current Events.

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Yes, I haven't had a main focus since I've covered homelessness, employment, job seeker qualifications, population growth, residential, commercial, industrial growth etc.

Much of what I've posted are links to local news stories about recent, current and future residential, commercial and industrial growth in my region.
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby MarkJ » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 08:21:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'M')aybe things are still looking good for Mark. He could be setup well enough where this depression won't have much impact on him?


Yes, we have no mortgages, no personal loans, no vehicle loans and no credit card debt. With multiple income streams, substantial savings, assets and investments we could survive without working, or working very little for extended periods of time. One of our largest debts was money my wife still owed her parents for medical school and business loans which we repaid in full several months ago.


We could survive comfortably on the income from rents and leases alone, even if we reduced rents to a fraction of current market rates. We also have vacant homes, apartments, rooms and commercial space (much unfinished) that we could sell, renovate, rent or lease if we needed more money. We could also raise many rents since the majority are well below market rates.


If we needed additional money we could also rent our waterfront homes, plus lower apartments by the week Memorial Day to Labor Day season for big bucks like we used to do when we were younger. During the summer tourist and horse racing season, we could rent rooms, garages even the finished basements if we wanted to.

When I bought one of my first multi-family homes at the age of 19, within the year I rented all 5 units, two rooms in my own unit, a basement apartment, the garage and 5 extra parking spaces.

My wife calculated that we'd make an additional 70K per year in rental income if we tossed out our relatives that are either living rent free, or at greatly reduced rents in our apartments.

Our daughters are also spoiled financially by our parents and grandparents which takes a large financial load off our personal budget.
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Re: The Homeless Thread

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 07 Apr 2009, 11:16:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
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Hey, You never know.

Some posts are so long, or have so much noise that I don't comment on all the points.


You never know. I just call 'em as I see 'em Mark, if you dont care to comment, this is your problem, not my problem.

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