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THE Homeless Thread (merged)
Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities
by mos6507 » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 10:34:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'H')e is just as big a warmonger as Bush was...
If Clinton was as much of a warmonger as Bush was, he would have taken out Bin Laden when he had him in the crosshairs instead of holding back for fear of international backlash.
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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter
by Blacksmith » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 12:09:40
Well it is nice to know there are still a few around.
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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter
by WildRose » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 13:18:22
Good story. I'm familiar with that area, as I live in north Edmonton myself.
They did well surviving this past winter. We had cold temperatures and nasty winds a lot of the time. I'm glad that they'll
soon be able to rent a place.
That constable sounds like a decent guy, too.
They did well surviving this past winter. We had cold temperatures and nasty winds a lot of the time. I'm glad that they'll
soon be able to rent a place.
That constable sounds like a decent guy, too.
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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter
by AAA » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 13:27:45
Too proud to take handouts...I wish we had some of those down South in the states.
How can Ludi spend 8-10 hrs/day on the internet and claim to be homesteading???
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Re: Obamavilles Growing in the Cities
by deMolay » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 13:41:52
I was referring to Obama increasing the budget for the Military. He is just as much a warmonger as Bush. Before you know it he will have the USA in a war in Paaakistan as well as Afghanistan. http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3965202
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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter
by Maddog78 » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 14:59:37
You've got to admire their independence.
I would hope to think I'd be the same way in such circumstances but I don't know for sure.
To be honest, it would probably be hard to turn down welfare.
I've always found some way to earn an income, so I've never been in any where close to those circumstances.
I would hope to think I'd be the same way in such circumstances but I don't know for sure.
To be honest, it would probably be hard to turn down welfare.
I've always found some way to earn an income, so I've never been in any where close to those circumstances.
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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter
by anarky321 » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 15:08:03
the moral of the story is if you're going to be homeless move to a tropical country or at least southern Florida
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Re: Homeless Couple Survive -40 All Winter
by anarky321 » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 16:13:58
id rather be lazy in Miami than shrewd and motivated in Canada in the winter
you can be as shrewd and motivated as you want but cold climates kill
they may have been homeless but they were not jobless; jobless people would have much more difficulty surviving in that climate while faring rather well in a tropical climate for reasons all too obvious to go into
the only reason humans ever migrated that far north is because of tight-knit communities and ready access to technology and food - both of which homeless unemployed are excluded from
you wouldnt believe how cold 50 degrees feels when you havent eaten for 2 days straight and are sleep deprived
you can be as shrewd and motivated as you want but cold climates kill
they may have been homeless but they were not jobless; jobless people would have much more difficulty surviving in that climate while faring rather well in a tropical climate for reasons all too obvious to go into
the only reason humans ever migrated that far north is because of tight-knit communities and ready access to technology and food - both of which homeless unemployed are excluded from
you wouldnt believe how cold 50 degrees feels when you havent eaten for 2 days straight and are sleep deprived
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Re: The Homeless Thread
by ReverseEngineer » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 16:46:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')They even find motel space for recently released sex offenders.
')They even find motel space for recently released sex offenders.
You have to take the brakes off Mr. Peabody's Way Back Machine Mark. You are describing life as it WAS, not life as it WILL BE. As long as you keep trying to demonize the Homeless by making them all Sex Offenders and Crack Addicts, nobody is going to get on your case for telling them to go live in the slums and welfare motels.
Your problem here is its NOT sex offenders and crack addicts, its J6P the ex-GM worker, his wife and 2 kids. Perhaps as of today the local Gestapo in your area is still kicking people out of foreclosed on homes, however with US Congressmen in IL telling people to squat these places and not leave, one can see the world you describe as fading into the dim recesses of memory quite rapidly.
Prettty soon Mark the Goobermint is going to run OUT of money to pay the cops to evict people from their homes when they don't pay you the rent. You will have to go kick them out on the street yourself, or hire thugs to do it assuming you have some kind of money people would take to do your dirty work for you. Best of luck on that one.
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Re: The Homeless Thread
by Chaparral » Fri 03 Apr 2009, 02:42:24
If the house next to me is vacant and owned by some sleazy lying piece o' shyte bank, I might be inclined to notify some friends, relatives or tribe members of said vacancy and they might just decide to move in, take care of the place, turn the front lawn into a biointensive garden, put fruit trees where they go, put tilapia in the pool or just use it as a cistern for water storage etc etc etc.
One of their incorrigible teenage brats' friends of a friend of a friend might just find sitting in a box in the back of my truck, one of several dozen sets of Kwikset or Schlage locksets to steal (mischevious lil' fellers aren't they) and they could modify a back window so that they could get back in if a property manager came by and changed the lock on them without having to replace any broken panes of glass. A rental agreement might be made between the "tenants" and some former property owner. If it is a Los Angeles rent controlled property, even a big bank will have to spend thousands in legal fees and lose six months of time getting them out, and then once the sheriff leaves, someone else can climb in the back window, change the locks and produce a forged rental agreement. Of course, I could never officially condone stealing from the likes of Schitibank or AIG or whatever institution may hold the bag on these squatter filled houses, I'm just noting some of many things I've observed in the past.
In a situation where there are several such houses on a block, a few more marginally maintained places or perhaps those buildings which have suffered prior scavenging and vandalism might end up as firewood and chicken coop parts. The glass window panes might form part of solar space heaters or water pasteurizers. The foundation slabs might make the bases of a nice series of raised beds and the whole of the rest of the yard, including the former location of a now pulverised driveway might produce a bit of food and catch a bit of water for everybody.
While I can't condone stealing from utility companies, a simple Rotozip saw with an angle attachment or a die grinder with a metal cutoff wheel will get the boots off the gas, electrical and water shutoffs with ease. I'd rather my new neighbors pay for their utilities though. If there are three formerly homeless families now squatting in a four bedroom 3500 square foot Mcmansion, they at least ought to be able to make the utility payments. Depending on the lacksadaisacal tendencies of the lienholder, they may even be able to pay property taxes and gain adverse possession although some legal counsel would be required before such moneys were spent. Maybe we can get peer to peer power sharing with enough photovoltiacs someday and should the grid go down and not come back up, everyone could chill in one living room and play poker, or Risk or chess until it's time to turn in.
As time wears on and the world never seems to get better, the property managers and sheriffs may just come to fear going anywhere near such neighborhoods. Who really knows? Maybe the county would stop maintaining the roads and they'd start sprouting fruit trees and asparagus in monstrous potholes hundreds of square feet in size. Like RE, none of us can save everyone but some of us might have some interesting ideas on how to punk systems and repurpose things.
One of their incorrigible teenage brats' friends of a friend of a friend might just find sitting in a box in the back of my truck, one of several dozen sets of Kwikset or Schlage locksets to steal (mischevious lil' fellers aren't they) and they could modify a back window so that they could get back in if a property manager came by and changed the lock on them without having to replace any broken panes of glass. A rental agreement might be made between the "tenants" and some former property owner. If it is a Los Angeles rent controlled property, even a big bank will have to spend thousands in legal fees and lose six months of time getting them out, and then once the sheriff leaves, someone else can climb in the back window, change the locks and produce a forged rental agreement. Of course, I could never officially condone stealing from the likes of Schitibank or AIG or whatever institution may hold the bag on these squatter filled houses, I'm just noting some of many things I've observed in the past.
In a situation where there are several such houses on a block, a few more marginally maintained places or perhaps those buildings which have suffered prior scavenging and vandalism might end up as firewood and chicken coop parts. The glass window panes might form part of solar space heaters or water pasteurizers. The foundation slabs might make the bases of a nice series of raised beds and the whole of the rest of the yard, including the former location of a now pulverised driveway might produce a bit of food and catch a bit of water for everybody.
While I can't condone stealing from utility companies, a simple Rotozip saw with an angle attachment or a die grinder with a metal cutoff wheel will get the boots off the gas, electrical and water shutoffs with ease. I'd rather my new neighbors pay for their utilities though. If there are three formerly homeless families now squatting in a four bedroom 3500 square foot Mcmansion, they at least ought to be able to make the utility payments. Depending on the lacksadaisacal tendencies of the lienholder, they may even be able to pay property taxes and gain adverse possession although some legal counsel would be required before such moneys were spent. Maybe we can get peer to peer power sharing with enough photovoltiacs someday and should the grid go down and not come back up, everyone could chill in one living room and play poker, or Risk or chess until it's time to turn in.
As time wears on and the world never seems to get better, the property managers and sheriffs may just come to fear going anywhere near such neighborhoods. Who really knows? Maybe the county would stop maintaining the roads and they'd start sprouting fruit trees and asparagus in monstrous potholes hundreds of square feet in size. Like RE, none of us can save everyone but some of us might have some interesting ideas on how to punk systems and repurpose things.
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Re: The Homeless Thread
by MarkJ » Fri 03 Apr 2009, 07:57:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'P')erhaps as of today the local Gestapo in your area is still kicking people out of foreclosed on homes,
Yes local sheriffs departments continue evicting people like clockwork.. They just had a recent story about it in The Albany Times Union.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=782510]That Dreaded Knock On The Door[/url]
ALBANY The toddler, a cheerful girl of about 3, shrieked happily and shuffled in white socks down the warm, dark hallway while the adults in the house hastily packed everything they could carry.
She returned encased in a pink parka, still smiling, still looking for her shoes.
"We have nowhere to go," said a woman, perhaps 35, who was packing and holding the leash of a large, docile Rottweiler.
"The worst is when you have kids involved," said Deputy Chad Hotaling, one of three Albany County sheriff's deputies who stood in the hallway. The deputies kept a close watch on the handful of adults moving from room to room and the time. There was a schedule to keep, and downstairs, a handyman was changing the locks.
"You see the kids there," Hotaling said, "and they don't know what's going on."
It was the seventh eviction of the day for the team, one of two working in Latham and Albany on a cold Friday in February, and the second in the same two-unit Orange Street building. .
As the economy continues to sputter, evictions court-ordered removal of people from their homes are up in some corners of the Capital Region and steady in others.
"It doesn't get any worse than the sheriff coming to your door and physically removing you from the property," said Wendy Wahlberg, deputy director of the Legal Aid Society of Northeastern New York. "It sort of brings up images of the movie 'The Grapes of Wrath.'"
Fortunately, the vast majority of local homeowners and renters facing eviction don't have to be removed buy the sheriffs departments. People move out willingly since they don't want to be forcefully removed, have their possessions tossed to the curb and be put out on the street like a dog with nowhere to go.
People facing eviction need time to find shelter, find homes for kids, find homes for pets, turn off phone/cable/internet/gas/electric/water/sewer, rent/borrow trucks/vans/trailers and time to sell, move or store possessions. Once they receive eviction notices, those without support of family & friends, or those without savings, assets, credit and sufficient income(s) generally seek public assistance help.
Since many evictions happen in the winter, people don't want to be out on the street without shelter. Since many city apartment dwellers don't drive, they don't even have a vehicle to provide temporary shelter.
Many people facing evictions relocate to regions with cheaper rents as well. For example, rents in my region are very high, vacancy is very low and tenant screening is tough due to the high amount of upper middle class, wealthy, tourists, seasonal residents, vacation home owners etc. We steer housing challenged renters to regions with more emergency shelters, welfare motels/hotels, low income rentals, subsidized housing etc.
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