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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 10:09:58

It's the men behind the curtain that needs the guillotine. The hidden ones.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Fishman » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 10:35:21

Same schit, different thread.
Pick up a history book, every president in times of war has done similar, we interned Americans randomly in WW2, we passed laws in WW1 antisedition laws, Lincoln suspended hab. corpus. Nothing will happen other than some libs stroke themselves and cry foul. Obama continues with many of the same anticonstitution issues. So what.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 12:19:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ush committed treason


No kidding. Everybody knows that.

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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 12:35:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ush committed treason


No kidding. Everybody knows that.

The real question is "What are you going to do about it?"


He's only the straw man. Under who's orders is my question?
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 12:48:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')e's only the straw man. Under who's orders is my question?


Well, both administrations were chock full of Council on Foreign Relations members. Dick Cheney used to be chairperson of the CFR. The CFR was formed after World War 1 by the progeny of the 19th century robber barons, in response to the US Senate voting down joining the League of Nations.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 12:56:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ush committed treason


No kidding. Everybody knows that.

The real question is "What are you going to do about it?"


If Bush committed treason then the dems should've impeached him instead of voting to support his policies.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 12:58:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f Bush committed treason then the dems should've impeached him instead of voting to support his policies.


I dispute your use of the word "if", because I'm fairly certain that he did commit treason, but I agree with the rest of your statement.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:00:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ush committed treason


No kidding. Everybody knows that.

The real question is "What are you going to do about it?"


If Bush committed treason then the dems should've impeached him instead of voting to support his policies.



Exactly what I was thinking!! Liberals not only supported, but they demanded these policies! Now that the dems are in power we see them institutionalized. Especially war, deficit spending, and lying to achieve your goals and I'm talking about excesses of HS here too.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby socrates1fan » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:04:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ush committed treason


No kidding. Everybody knows that.

The real question is "What are you going to do about it?"


If Bush committed treason then the dems should've impeached him instead of voting to support his policies.



Exactly what I was thinking!! Liberals not only supported, but they demanded these policies! Now that the dems are in power we see them institutionalized. Especially war, deficit spending, and lying to achieve your goals and I'm talking about excesses of HS here too.


Damn liberals eh?
First of all, not all dems are liberal.
Second, it wasn't in the interest of BOTH republicans and dems to kick Bush out.
Hating liberals is easy isn't it? I'm sure they would be happy to take back child-labor laws, women vote, racial equality, workers rights, anti-slave laws, etc, etc, etc. ;)
Don't forget, the dems and repubicans of congress are not responsible for what the conservative republican Bush did.
However, congress isn't exactly free of evil either, but it isn't based on political party.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:06:07

Comeon guys I know you like to dwell... but we are hitting the absurd. Everyone knows that the Bush administration commited thousands of acts of treason, and terrorism. We also know nothing will come of it. Just let it go and stop stressing yourself out over something you have no control over. The more I see you all stressing out, it stresses me out and I don't want to be stressed out. I just want to enjoy these last few years as a free man, so I have some good memories for when everything collapses and I am living on the street selling my body for a few hunks of dried moldy bread.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby socrates1fan » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:07:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'C')omeon guys I know you like to dwell... but we
are hitting the absurd. Everyone knows that the Bush administration commited thousands of acts of treason, and terrorism. We also know nothing will come of it. Just let it go and stop stressing yourself out over something you have no control over. The more I see you all stressing out, it stresses me out and I don't want to be stressed out. I just want to enjoy these last few years as a free man, so I have some good memories for when everything collapses and I am living on the street selling my body for a few hunks of dried moldy bread.


Last few years as a free man? 0_0
Are we being invaded by Russia?
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:07:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f Bush committed treason then the dems should've impeached him instead of voting to support his policies.


I dispute your use of the word "if", because I'm fairly certain that he did commit treason, but I agree with the rest of your statement.


I say if for two reasons. (1) The only way to settle this issue and prove that Bush committed treason was for the Congress to impeach him and convict him of treason. This never happened. (2) I'm inclined to agree with Fishman above that similar unconstitutional things happen in all wars. For instance, Obama right now is using predators to blow up buildings full of people in Pakistan in the name of the war against terror overseas contingency operation. To my knowledge, the congress has never authorized Obama to use military force and kill evil terrorists (and innocent people nearby) in Pakistan.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:10:25

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Don't be absurd, Russia couldn't invade a pantry.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:18:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('socrates1fan', '
')Don't forget, the dems and repubicans of congress are not responsible for what the conservative republican Bush did.


You don't know how the US system of government works. Bush couldn't have done anything without the Congress.

It was THE CONGRESS that voted to go to war in Iraq, and it was THE CONGRESS that voted the hundreds of billions of dollars for the war and it was the CONGRESS that abrogated its responsibility to impeach Bush.

Now it is the CONGRESS that is voting more hundreds of billions for Obama's wars, and the CONGRESS that is abrogating its responsiblity to stop Obama from prosecuting a war in Pakistan that THE CONGRESS never authorized.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:23:18

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The belief that some here hold that when Bush sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan it was treason but when Obama sends troops to Iraq and Aghanistan it is wonderful is logically inconsistent at best. :roll:
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:25:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '(')1) The only way to settle this issue and prove that Bush committed treason was for the Congress to impeach him and convict him of treason. This never happened.


That's some nice lawyering there, Lou. Is OJ Simpson innocent too? "If the glove doesn't fit, you can't convict!"


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '(')2) I'm inclined to agree with Fishman above that similar unconstitutional things happen in all wars. For instance, Obama right now is using predators to blow up buildings full of people in Pakistan in the name of the war against terror overseas contingency operation. To my knowledge, the congress has never authorized Obama to use military force and kill evil terrorists (and innocent people nearby) in Pakistan.


But this isn't about Obama right now, is it? This is about Bush. A year ago, people didn't have Obama around so Bush apologists had to use the all-too-familiar, "But... but... Clinton did this other bad stuff here! See?!" Nice to have Obama and a change of pace now, eh?
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:28:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he belief that some here hold that when Bush sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan it was treason but when Obama sends troops to Iraq and Aghanistan it is wonderful is logically inconsistent at best. :roll:


You may not have read my posts about Obama, then. Obama is a liar and doesn't have the American people's best interests at heart.

Your technique is to create a distraction (first throwing up the Clinton flag, and now Obama) and not deal with the issue as it is presented. That technique of the Bush apologists has been used for at least 6 years now. it's getting a bit old.
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:33:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '&')quot;


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', ' ') I'm inclined to agree with Fishman above that similar unconstitutional things happen in all wars. For instance, Obama right now is using predators to blow up buildings full of people in Pakistan in the name of the war against terror overseas contingency operation. To my knowledge, the congress has never authorized Obama to use military force and kill evil terrorists (and innocent people nearby) in Pakistan.


But this isn't about Obama right now, is it? This is about Bush. A year ago, people didn't have Obama around so Bush apologists had to use the all-too-familiar, "But... but... Clinton did this other bad stuff here! See?!" Nice to have Obama and a change of pace now, eh?


We all have to face reality. Bush was president then. Obama is president now.

I think the dems should've stopped the war in Iraq when they took over Congress in 2006 as they promised. Further, I think they should've impeached Bush.

Its easy to bash Bush for doing things in the past but IMHO not mentioning the fact that Obama is doing the same things now doesn't make a lot of sense. :idea:
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:34:28

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Don't be absurd, Russia couldn't invade a pantry.


Last year they invaded a Georgian bakery. Does that count?
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Re: Bush committed treason, says top constitutional scholar

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:41:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')ts easy to bash Bush for doing things in the past but IMHO not mentioning the fact that Obama is doing the same things now doesn't make a lot of sense. :idea:


I agree. So both sides are at fault then?
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