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THE Matthew Simmons Thread pt 3 (merged)

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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 10:20:44

Someone may correct me but from what I've noticed this week oil prices have immediately jumped by 1/3rd more than the Dow in percentage terms. I would guess if this is the trend and we have a new bubble in the credit market oil will respond accordingly. I.e. a 20% jump on the dow will yeild a 30% increase in oil etc. Of course the figures will change and oil could outpace market revival in the short to medium term by an increasing factor beyond this. Either way, this rapid increase in price with the market showing signs of 'recovery', shows that people have figured out that oil is essential for growth.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby outcast » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 10:49:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'M')att better be careful about sticking his neck out again after what he said last time about $300 oil. If he racks up two or three bad calls he is going to be written off as a complete laughing stock if he isn't already.



He ALREADY racked up two or three bad calls.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby Maddog78 » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 11:44:14

I think it's highly unlikely we will have a price shock in 6-9 mos.
It's coming all right but certainly not that quickly.
OPEC have an extra 4 million+ bpd capacity that they have shut in since the price collapse.
Resuming that will certainly soften any price peaks.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 11:48:19

Simmons is wrong. You can quote me on that forever. Eventually oil prices will be back around 150, but at the earliest ... next summer.

hell, the idiot probably has his entire portfolio vested in crude and hopes that he scared enough people to jack of the price.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 13:10:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bencole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e says the cost of rebuilding the oil industry is colossal: "The industry's asset base is beyond its original design life."


It would be interesting to have more information on what specifically he means here, is the oil infrastructure and equipment like pipelines, well pumps, drilling rigs, crude tankers, refineries, etc,
all deteriorating rapidly due to age, and this is causing a 20% decline rate, vs 5% if the equipment was top notch? Or is the decline of ageing giant oil fields more a result of geology, or is it a combination of both in his opinion?


The International Energy Agency released a new edition of its World Energy Outlook last fall. Their results indicated that, with investment from oil companies, the decline rate on average worldwide is 6.7%; without any investment it goes up to 9.1% - this is the natural decline rate. Fighting rust as Simmons suggests may be part of this, but I think they more specifically mean things like secondary/tertiary recovery - injecting water or CO2 into fields, etc. Matt seems alone in calling for full revitalization of rigs and pipelines, which would be additional trillions for companies and nations to pay for; I don't see it happening anytime soon.

What did he mean by "20% decline rate"? There are fields decaying that fast or faster, such as Mexico's Cantarell. Incidentally Jeff Brown pointed out to me that the UK and/or Indonesia stepped on the throttle at the end of their exporting career(s), shipping out something like 44% of their remaining exports in one or two years before becoming net importers. This may be the reasoning behind Matt's saying Mexico will be a net importer next year, but I still think they're operating under different circumstances, being so dependent on one big field.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby gollum » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 17:29:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')'m not saying he's going to be wrong again. But he's now 0 for 1 and should be judged accordingly. I just think when he gets all this airtime and he's wrong he really sets peak oil awareness back in a big way. Peak oil should not be a game of darts trying to make short-term doom predictions.



I couldn't agree more, in the medium and long term we KNOW the price of all energy will rise, predicting peaks or price spike to the Month or even year serves little purpose other than for critics to have cause to question our credibility.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 17:56:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '
')Matt said on March 26:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]"Unless oil demand falls by 10 or 15 percent per annum, which it is not going to do, then we don't need to wait for oil demand to come back before we have a supply crunch," Simmons said.

"Within a few months, we are going to realize our visible inventories are really tight -- squeaky tight -- and what would really be inconvenient is to see a recovery in the economy."


Simmons answered my question, namely: could oil prices spike even amid an economic depression?
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 18:06:24

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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 18:07:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'M')att may have made some bad calls, but his message is clear, its concise, and its well researched. He has done the work many in here have not.



He's clear, he's concise, he's good to his parents, bathes regularly, and eats a high fiber diet....but unfortunately doesn't understand the marketing of oil. Simmons of all people should have understood the dynamics behind the last spike and explained it to his apostles. They could have warned people to get the H out of energy stocks.

If oil goes up, it won't be for long, and will have more to do with weakening fiat, political risk premiums, etc...It will NOT have to do with immediate drastic geologic insufficiencies


Woops I just quoted myself. A legend in my own mind... :lol:
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 18:49:17

We all know the timing's irrelevant, Simmons could be off by a year and it doesn't change anything. He gets the most airtime on TV over oil, and he's telling people the truth about the future - local, local, perhaps nothing but local. Good for him.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby JohnDenver » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 19:11:37

Breaking news...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HE wheels are about to come off the international oil and gas juggernaut, threatening to pitch the world into an energy crisis on a scale that has never been seen before, and the US and Europe will suffer most.
This dire prediction comes from an American banker, one of the most respected on the circuit today. But few are listening to Matt Simmons, who claims the oil and gas industry is in such a mess that it has lost the ability to keep ahead of global demand.


Ooops. Check the date. That article is about 10 years old, 21 November 2000.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby Last_Laff » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 19:31:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '[')url=http://business.scotsman.com/6983/Energy-crisis-threatens-a-winter.2241606.jp]Breaking news...[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HE wheels are about to come off the international oil and gas juggernaut, threatening to pitch the world into an energy crisis on a scale that has never been seen before, and the US and Europe will suffer most.
This dire prediction comes from an American banker, one of the most respected on the circuit today. But few are listening to Matt Simmons, who claims the oil and gas industry is in such a mess that it has lost the ability to keep ahead of global demand.


Ooops. Check the date. That article is about 10 years old, 21 November 2000.


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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby kiwichick » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 20:01:28

depends on how you define " about to "

the Hirsch report would define it as 10 -20 years
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby JohnDenver » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 20:20:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'd')epends on how you define " about to "

Un huh. depends on what the meaning of is is :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he Hirsch report would define it as 10 -20 years


Yah, but the Hirsch report is dead wrong. Hirsch intentionally ignores efficiency and conservation as a response to peak oil. It's like saying it'll take 10-20 years for a fat guy to slim down because we won't be considering measures like exercise and dieting.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby JJ » Fri 27 Mar 2009, 20:41:32

wow. we're actually talking about peakoil! :)
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