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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 17:55:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'I') will not turn a blind eye to the behavior of one brother simply because my other brother is an idgit.

Wonderful - I look forward to your equally exuberant Republican watch-dogging. Personally, I view those two brothers as conjoined twins :)
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 18:27:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'C')an anyone with Police or Military connections see them enforcing this evil crap?

One Son and one Son in law, both NCOs, neither would carry out such orders.

See the problem with looking at the world through Tin Foil Sunglasses is you can't see what is in front of you; only what's inside your head.

Last month the only rendering plant in this area which disposed of dead animals went tits-up due to worries about Mad-Cow, which will certainly lead to a "real" problem.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he federal regulation, which takes effect in April, has led to uncertainty in the cattle industry about how to dispose of dead animals. Consequently, the Halfway Packing Co. has shut down, leaving ranchers in one of the nation's largest beef cattle states without any company willing to travel from farm to farm picking up dead livestock.


http://www.kmov.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D96NE8R02.html



Guess they will have to restart the RES plant in Carthage MO after all, when meat is processed prions (the cause of Mad Cow) are eliminated from the resulting material.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 18:35:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'W')onderful - I look forward to your equally exuberant Republican watch-dogging. Personally, I view those two brothers as conjoined twins :)


When they do ********* that merits thumping, I go nuts; chasing random boogie men with military forces seems silly, but not particularly significant. Cutting taxes while declaring war otoh, just about gave me a coronary. Gave me insight into the term "apoplexy". Whether they shoot, release, try, or throw bubblegum at random nutbars in some military prison in Cuba? Couldn't honestly care less. Whether they invest in rebuilding giant cities in the swamps, freaking OUTRAGE.

And the biggest of all, at least to me, wanting to explore / bring to market current US oil assets that are on hold, when everyone should KNOW by now that they will be a hundred times more valuable a few decades down the road.

But the Republicans aren't the authors of this particular horror. Its all D, all the way.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby gnm » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 18:36:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'G')uess they will have to restart the RES plant in Carthage MO after all, when meat is processed prions (the cause of Mad Cow) are eliminated from the resulting material.


How do they eliminate them? As I understand it, prions are capable of surviving an autoclave!

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 18:43:05

[quote="gnm"How do they eliminate them? As I understand it, prions are capable of surviving an autoclave!

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby alokin » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 19:32:38

The discussion brings no further clarification. And even the idea of such a kind of centralization is more than scary.
I suggest that some of the American posters here mail this story to some of the leading organic gardening magazines.
They maybe can make a story out of it and do a bit more research. These stories, if printed will induce a public discussion.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 20:08:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'G')uess they will have to restart the RES plant in Carthage MO after all, when meat is processed prions (the cause of Mad Cow) are eliminated from the resulting material.
How do they eliminate them? As I understand it, prions are capable of surviving an autoclave!

It is because Thermal Depolymerization does just that, it breaks them the first time and after that first break they unravel like a Virus does. Prion's are very weird, the closest analogy I get when thinking about them is that they are a self replication protein based enzyme, they don't reproduce like Virus's but they do indeed reproduce none the less.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 10 Mar 2009, 01:54:52

Somewhere way back in this thread someone mentioned maybe moving to canada. Don't bother, we already have laws to seriously limit home food production and our ability to sell it.

I believe I can sell something like a cucumber without a license so long as it's not "processed" I can't however pickle it and sell it without doing it in a commercial kitchen that is open for inspections. When is something "processed" is where it's starts to get ugly to figure out. Herbs growing in a pot are fine. Herbs freshly cut and rinsed also fine I believe. Herbs washed then dried and bagged not in a commercial kitchen not ok. Herbs washed cut up fine and frozen into cubes but not in a commercial kitchen not ok.

When it comes to livestock it gets even uglier. Most of the slaughter houses around here have shutdown because they don't comply with the new rules. The new rules added such amazing safeguards as Inspectors get their own bathroom not to be used by anyone else. So assume 5-$10,000 to add a bathroom and the majority of places just closed rather then try and comply. Last I heard the closest place to slaughter a cow to sell was a 2 hour ferry ride then a couple of hours drive away. There are a half million of us living on this island. You'd think we could have one slaughter house...

And of course all of this happens at the same time the province becomes concerned that we only grow somewhere near 50% of the food we consume within our borders. I'm sure some great gifts will be found to convince big agri to come grow more of our food.

The only good news is the black market works great. Hell the last time I bought half of an organic pig it was from a cop who raised them in his off duty hours. Picked it up in a parking lot at a mall. Totally reminded me of a drug deal in the movies. I gave an envelop of cash to him and a cardboard box went into my trunk.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Dawn » Tue 10 Mar 2009, 06:27:20

To tell you the truth, strider3700, we also have laws like that in place. For example, you can process food in your home kitchen and sell it, BUT, your kitchen would have to pass inspection. I don't really care how clean a person might think they are, it would be difficult for a home kitchen to pass. No kids in the kitchen, no pets around, covers on the light bulbs, test kits for the chlorine mixture that you clean with.

It does make me wonder why this legislation is being introduced. Is it for states where the laws are laxed, or is it more cynical in nature?
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby cow6565 » Tue 10 Mar 2009, 09:27:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsindoomslut', 'i') belive this is only if you plan on selling to the public AND
even if it's not.......how could "they" ever enforce it????????


They can't enforce it, it just makes you illegal so that if they don't like you they can arrest you for something. that is just as much slavery as if you had shackles on.
One way or another you cannot follow your conscience anymore without breaking a law, therefore at any moment anyone is arrestible at any time they want.

all in the total control plan.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:02:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hardtootell', 'Q')uestion to US citizens- Given the apparent intent of this bill, would you consider emigrating??


If this passes, and there are reports from the field of small farms getting shut down, and if there is no successful legal challenge mounted, I will consider moving to Canada. This could totally f*ck up the transition movement. Even with subsistence farming you're going to have a little surplus and some bartering going on. This could be really bad. This is the worst thing to happen since Bush's parting executive orders.


i appreciate the sentiment of moving to Canada, BUT that's probably not the best place to escape from laws such as this.

for example, Percy Schmeitzer (spelling ?), a Canadian farmer who was sued by Monsanto because their pollen blew onto his land.

the Canadian Supreme Court upheld Monsanto's case.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:11:07

I'm not sure how The Guvmint could make sharing food between neighbors illegal.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby alokin » Tue 10 Mar 2009, 20:01:37

If the bill passes or not is maybe more a question who is behind the bill. If i.e Monsato is behind the bill and they really want it to go through it will go through.
You must find out who invented this BS and what ties are there and the cry loud.
I think it is really not the question to control all , but cherry pick some. Ruin some small producers for example will discourage others to begin with the same business.
Hopefully the Aussies won't copy this bill when it goes through. It 's so good to be warned at time.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 10 Mar 2009, 20:48:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'I')f the bill passes or not is maybe more a question who is behind the bill. If i.e Monsato is behind the bill and they really want it to go through it will go through.
You must find out who invented this BS and what ties are there and the cry loud.


Um, we did. Read the sponsor's wikipedia page that we quoted, with citations.
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