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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 13:15:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'J')otapay, I think your sarcasm detector must be broken.... 8)

As far as both sides being controlled I am in complete agreement.


I saw the sarcasm, but thought it was being used to different effect. If I misunderstood, my apologies. :)
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Revi » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 13:58:49

They won't be able to regulate every farm and garden.

We are licensed anyway. The state visits to make sure that quality is maintained.

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Dawn » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:02:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')he word "commercial" was in there somewhere.


What keeps coming to my mind is commercial operations. Every state and even many cities have different laws that business must comply with. You can own a store and have s simple retail license. If you have a deli in the store then you need another license, and there are more regulations that you have to follow. Like we had to date food on the day it was opened and use it within a number of days. Add a cappuccino machine and the fees go up. It's all about getting more tax money without calling it taxes.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:03:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '
')We are licensed anyway. The state visits to make sure that quality is maintained.


How much does that cost?
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:08:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')he word "commercial" was in there somewhere.



Another reason to avoid the $ economy and operate in the Sharing economy as much as possible.

I share eggs with our "adopted family" when we have extra eggs - they sometimes give me a few extra $ when they have them.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:23:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'C')an anyone with Police or Military connections see them enforcing this evil crap?

One Son and one Son in law, both NCOs, neither would carry out such orders.

See the problem with looking at the world through Tin Foil Sunglasses is you can't see what is in front of you; only what's inside your head.

Last month the only rendering plant in this area which disposed of dead animals went tits-up due to worries about Mad-Cow, which will certainly lead to a "real" problem.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he federal regulation, which takes effect in April, has led to uncertainty in the cattle industry about how to dispose of dead animals. Consequently, the Halfway Packing Co. has shut down, leaving ranchers in one of the nation's largest beef cattle states without any company willing to travel from farm to farm picking up dead livestock.


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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby gnm » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:32:03

I hear these guys are willing to pick up the slack....

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby mattduke » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:39:31

I prefer Ron Paul's Libertarian "Food Freedom Bill".
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:42:28

:lol:

The problem is most folks haul dead animals down close to a creek, luckily it's all downhill from here, sorta speak...
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:47:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ':')lol:

The problem is most folks haul dead animals down close to a creek, luckily it's all downhill from here, sorta speak...


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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:52:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')he word "commercial" was in there somewhere.


Shanny, the word "commercial" is in the bill's text. However, it is not placed where it will support what Topcat was insinuating. Certain operations are regulated and defined one way if they are commercial or retail in nature. Others (like backyard gardens) are defined differently and do not have to be commercial to be regulated in the way quoted in the first post in this thread.

Just because something is in there doesn't mean jack in regards to specifically how something is defined. The bill is right there, people. You can read it.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 14:52:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '.')..


Brains and spinal tissue were the part the local rendering plant had to send to the lab before they could use the carcass - at the cost of $100/head or so.

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 15:09:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'K')eep fighting the good fight, AgentR.


You presume that I asserted something positive about past Republican crimes and trespasses in my comments above.

You presume falsely.

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 15:30:46

People are getting hung up on backyard gardens here; missing the point that a paper sack, crayon, and Big Chief drawing pad would be adequate to fulfill any required registration and record keeping such a garden would have under this bill if they were not simply excluded either in law or associated regulation.

The problem *IS* commercial producers; exactly the kinds of producers we supposedly want to encourage, (ie, localization). These people are in for a nightmare if a regulator decides they are suitable candidates for attention.

ADM, big meat packers, railroads, big chains; they won't even notice anything interesting; able to bury any regulator in an absolute mountain of reporting information at the click of a mouse.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby lonewolf » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 16:19:53

Object or comply. either way we're "Round-Up Ready"
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 16:47:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow will they obtain warrants to inspect private property?

I strongly suspect that Warrants will soon be a thing of the past.


Warrants will not be needed because The Boys in Black will easily visually confirm the presence of illegally grown - unregistered - food. It's the same with pot. If they can see it, they can get it.


once a few Boys in Black end up diced up into pieces of a compost-able size (1 1/2" diameter, 12" long) and hot composted, they may begin to change their minds.

plus - the guard dogs have to eat something !

but in all seriousness 8) there is an EROEI for food seizures also. if it takes X amount of energy to seize an amount of food less than X - what's the point ?

what appears to be happening is that Monsanto continues to wage a literal war on small farmers. and that is something to take very seriously. :shock: it's also an indicator of Obama's true nature - if he's not willing to take on agribiz in favor of the small farmer, he's not the great People's Savior some have made him out to be.

does Obama have to sign HR875 for it to pass ? or has he already signed it ?
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 16:57:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'b')ut in all seriousness 8) there is an EROEI for food seizures also. if it takes X amount of energy to seize an amount of food less than X - what's the point ?


Now quit! We are all gonna die under the Jackboot!!!

This thread as well as most of the other talking threads are going to be moved, as soon as I get the garden planted.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby gnm » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 16:58:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'd')oes Obama have to sign HR875 for it to pass ? or has he already signed it ?


This legislation is only introduced in the agricultural committee - still far from being passed. But one to watch.

Interestingly, one of the previous links mentions that the wife of the congressman who introduced the legislation is a corporate lawyer who counts among her clients "Mansanto" ... Obviously that is just hearsay at the moment.

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby gnm » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 16:59:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his thread as well as most of the other talking threads are going to be moved, as soon as I get the garden planted.


And all the dead cows moved too, eh? :lol:

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 17:11:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'A')nd all the dead cows moved too, eh? :lol:

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