[SeaGypsy]

From the oxford dictionary:


cull

• verb 1 reduce the numbers of (animals) by selective slaughter. 2 select or obtain from a large quantity or a variety of sources.

• noun a selective slaughter of animals.

— ORIGIN Old French coillier, from Latin colligere ‘gather together’.

[TWilliam]

From dictionary.com:

context

noun
1. discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation
2. the set of facts or circumstances that surround a situation or event; "the historical context"

[SeaGypsy]

Oxford.


doublespeak

• noun deliberately ambiguous or obscure language.

— ORIGIN coined by George Orwell (see DOUBLETHINK).

[TWilliam]

dictionary.com:

irrelevant

adjective
having no bearing on or connection with the subject at issue; "an irrelevant comment"; "irrelevant allegations";
descriptive of your postings of dictionary entries; "Kindly refrain from posting any more of your irrelevant tripe in my thread."
[ant: relevant] "Relevant discussion is, however, welcome."

[SeaGypsy]

Oxford:


unconscious

• adjective 1 not awake and aware of and responding to one’s environment. 2 done or existing without one realizing. 3 (unconscious of) unaware of.

• noun (the unconscious) the part of the mind which is inaccessible to the conscious mind but which affects behaviour and emotions.

— DERIVATIVES unconsciously adverb unconsciousness noun.



doublethink

• noun the acceptance of contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time.

— ORIGIN coined by George Orwell in his novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949).

[TWilliam]

I won't ask you a third time, SeaGypsy. If you want to continue with relevant conversation that's fine, but stop posting irrelevant space-wasters in my thread.

Peakoil.com Code of Conduct:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]3.1.8 Messages devoid of content: This includes posts with nonsense characters (ie. flksdhf). This also includes posts with a single word or only containing emoticons. This includes posts on "why was my post deleted", off-topic posts, threadjacking, complaining about links, unedited reposts, repeated mod evasion, and trolling.

[SeaGypsy]

OK, sorry TW, I think we have made a truce over at the smokescreen split. I will read& enjoin the discussion if I have something relevant to say.
Best of luck figuring out the answer to this hideous question.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', ' ')I use the term 'culling' because for me

[Pretorian]

Ludi, there is no need for culling/killing whatsoever. People just have to engage into their own/their families problems instead of whining to handle it to the taxpayer. Don't feel like working? Eat garbage/live in a tent/leech off your relatives/ets. Got sick and don't want to pay for it? File a lawsuit against Mother Nature. Or against your parents.
I wonder what would family of this guy do if they had to take care of him:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')oaves and Fishes

The body of Mr. Dubois recedes into the shadows as the nurse turns down the lights. His family wants some time with him before he is taken wherever it is we take the bodies of those who finally exhaust our ability to reanimate them. Mr. Dubois did not go quickly or easily. His death has spanned months, if not years. The massive stroke which finally finished him off was just the last in a series of insults, all of which steadily whittled away at his intellect, his quality of life, but never the conviction of his family that he needed to be kept alive at all costs.

The details of Mr. Dubois’ decline are familiar to anyone who has worked in an intensive care unit. Already in poor health from numerous chronic medical problems as well as mildly demented, he suffered a minor stroke and became bed-ridden. His wife, in poor health herself, was unable to transfer him from his bed to a bedside commode and his children eventually moved him to a nursing home where, with the exception of dialysis three times a week, he spent his days laying in his own urine. Over the course of a year he made several visits to the ICU where he was treated for pneumonia and sepsis, urinary tract infection and sepsis, sacral decubitus ulcers and sepsis, and finally a COPD exacerbation with pneumonia and sepsis. This lead to the final, massive stroke which should have finished him off except that after years of neglect, his family was still not ready to let him go.

They were perfectly willing to park him in a nursing home, you understand, as long as they didn’t have to think about him. I’m sure they visited even if the visits eventually tapered off to a hurried fifteen minutes every other week, visits more to demonstrate that they still cared than to look after Mr. Dubois who lay in his bed literally rotting away both mentally and physically.

At the end the family didn’t want Mr. Dubois to suffer, at least not while they were around. I’m sure they didn’t lose sleep over the suffering he endured as an immobile piece of bodily-fluid producing meat in his fly-blown nursing home. But in the hospital, with the doctor and skilled ICU nurses it was all sanctimony and reverence.

The contracted, slack-jawed body of Mr. Dubois continued its leisurely spiral towards death as we used every expensive weapon in our arsenal and spent tens of thousands of somebody else’s dollars in our absolutely inexplicable desire to play along with the family’s delusions.

The family’s delusions, like most, grew in isolation of the basic facts. I suppose if his family had taken care of him at their home as was the case for almost all of human history the story might be different. If they were the ones cleaning his bowel movements, spooning soft food into his mouth, or living with the rotten smell of ulcerating bed sores, one of which had eroded down to his sacral bones, they might have been relieved at his death, both for their own sake and his.

Nor did they give a thought to the cost of his many hospital stays, the total amount of which is almost impossible to calculate. Somebody else will pay, they always do. He’s paid taxes his whole life, goes the mantra, so let Medicare handle it despite the fact that one week in the ICU probably ate Mr. Dubois’ entire lifetime contribution to the system.

A day in the ICU costs several thousand dollars with only a minimal level of care. Then there are the many paid specialists continually consulted to tell us what we already know, namely that Mr. Dubois is dying. The nephrologists shakes his head sorrowfully over his kidneys. The cardiologist writes notes and orders expensive studies which reveal that his heart is bad. The gastroenterologist fails to discover the source of his frequent melanotic stools and the hematologist advises that even though his leukemia is going to kill him in a few weeks (guaranteed) we should go ahead and transfuse four units.

The vascular surgeon, the only realist in the bunch, when consulted for a possible repair of Mr. Dubois’ dangerously bulging abdominal aortic aneurysm says, “Are you fucking kidding me?”

Too bad he can’t write that in his consult note. The dry precision of medical prose gives the illusion that we are in control of Mr. Dubois and could turn him around with a little coordination between the medical specialties. The family certainly buys into this notion. Aren’t all of his medical problems being managed? Don’t doctors have all the answers with their extensive education and big words? Surely all of those monitors, pumps, and flashing lights must be doing something. We’re not asking for loaves and fishes here, doc. Just keep his heart beating.

So that’s what we do. In the end all we are really doing is giving the house staff valuable experience running ACLS codes. We get a carotid pulse back and beam with pleasure at the good thing we have done despite the fact that it is taking three different pressors to keep his blood pressure compatible with life and to remove any one of them will be the end of Mr. Dubois. What we’ve really done is paint ourselves into a corner. He is never coming off the pressors. In about a day, if he lives that long, Mr. Dubois’ toes and fingers are going to start rotting off.

Perhaps then we can withdraw support, if it’s all right with the family that is

[SeaGypsy]

Clearly Euthanasia. But it's their time, their money. Was the taxpayer paying for any of this? Or insurance?
You bring up an interesting point though to be sure. When it's blatantly obvious to all staff in a facility like you describe, that the persons life is over; there should be room for intervention even against the wishes of the family. It's a really extreme case you describe. Is this really that common? It sounds really horrible for everyone concerned.
Even more so while the policy towards uninsured patients is 'Stop 'em Bleeding 'n' Boot 'em.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')as the taxpayer paying for any of this? .

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')s this really that common?

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'C')learly Euthanasia. But it's their time, their money. Was the taxpayer paying for any of this? Or insurance?

[Pretorian]

I've read a story sometime ago. Somewhere in Russia in 90s one ole lady of 70+ was calling an ambulance for her 92yo mother, as she had some blood-pressure jumping issues. She was calling them everyday. So, soon enough they just stopped coming to her. They were far from hospitals/clinics so due to transportation issues it was the end of healthcare for both of them. Her mother lived to be 102, her daughter is still alive I think.

[ReverseEngineer]

I think we need to stop focusing strictly on the Youth in Asia and start worrying about the Youth in America and the Youth in Europe, Australia, Africa, et al. You aren't addressing the problem looking at just Youth in Asia, or Euthanasia if you prefer to spell it that way.

This thread is way too full of Euphimisms. Culling Herds, Exterminating Parasites, its all just justification for selective elimination of a portion of the population, and here heavily dosed with the concept that you can make some kind of analysis based on race, courtesy of the flawed thinking of a real parasite, Pretorian.

There is no doubt the world is in dire need of more dead people. There is GREAT doubt that anyone can possibly make an equitable decision on just who those dead people should be. Given this fact of life, it behooves us NOT to spend time figuring out who will die here, but who will live, and making the best effort possible to save as many as you can. I GUARANTEE you as many people who need to die WILL die, without ANY help from you or me. Your goal should be to try to save some along the way. I GUARANTEE also you will not be able to save them ALL. Save as Many as You Can.

Reverse Engineer

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I') think we need to stop focusing strictly on the Youth in Asia and start worrying about the Youth in America and the Youth in Europe, Australia, Africa, et al. You aren't addressing the problem looking at just Youth in Asia, or Euthanasia if you prefer to spell it that way.

This thread is way too full of Euphimisms. Culling Herds, Exterminating Parasites, its all just justification for selective elimination of a portion of the population, and here heavily dosed with the concept that you can make some kind of analysis based on race, courtesy of the flawed thinking of a real parasite, Pretorian.

There is no doubt the world is in dire need of more dead people. There is GREAT doubt that anyone can possibly make an equitable decision on just who those dead people should be. Given this fact of life, it behooves us NOT to spend time figuring out who will die here, but who will live, and making the best effort possible to save as many as you can. I GUARANTEE you as many people who need to die WILL die, without ANY help from you or me. Your goal should be to try to save some along the way. I GUARANTEE also you will not be able to save them ALL. Save as Many as You Can.

Reverse Engineer

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')This thread is way too full of Euphimisms. Culling Herds, Exterminating Parasites, its all just justification for selective elimination of a portion of the population, and here heavily dosed with the concept that you can make some kind of analysis based on race, courtesy of the flawed thinking of a real parasite, Pretorian.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I') think we need to stop focusing strictly on the Youth in Asia and start worrying about the Youth in America and the Youth in Europe, Australia, Africa, et al. You aren't addressing the problem looking at just Youth in Asia, or Euthanasia if you prefer to spell it that way.

This thread is way too full of Euphimisms. Culling Herds, Exterminating Parasites, its all just justification for selective elimination of a portion of the population, and here heavily dosed with the concept that you can make some kind of analysis based on race, courtesy of the flawed thinking of a real parasite, Pretorian.

There is no doubt the world is in dire need of more dead people. There is GREAT doubt that anyone can possibly make an equitable decision on just who those dead people should be. Given this fact of life, it behooves us NOT to spend time figuring out who will die here, but who will live, and making the best effort possible to save as many as you can. I GUARANTEE you as many people who need to die WILL die, without ANY help from you or me. Your goal should be to try to save some along the way. I GUARANTEE also you will not be able to save them ALL. Save as Many as You Can.

Reverse Engineer

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')Dick, did your parents had a magic mirror, a crystall ball of sorts? They couldnt have possibly to come up with a better name for sure.
Anyways, do you really think that people here couldnt see racial differences without my help? If you do, you are dumber than those polar bears who pay you $75 an hour for your arithmetic lessons.

[SeaGypsy]

I read some genetic research suggesting 98% of the variety in the genome is still within the confines of Africa; this would suggest before it all ends we ought to bring an African into the family.