Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Who is a "parasite"?

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby dinopello » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 08:53:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'E')veryone other than gardeners, engineers and pleasure workers are expendable. Actually, I'm not even sure about us engineers, I will redouble my efforts at gardening..
So how's the pleasure worker business these days? I did 5 years getting the oil out of the ground and 5 years making irrigation products so at least I did some non-parasite time. Never been in the pleasure worker field. Too late now.


Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach...

PLEAS 650: Pleasure worker as Existensialist (4 Credits) Dr. Penultimate M. Standing, MWF (2300)
Prerequisite: 3 credits of philosophy, practical pleasure working skills, or permission of instructor.
Examination of the nexis of pleasure generation and Existensialism - from its 19th-century origins to its 20th-century expressions. Philosophers and pleasure workers studied include Kierkegaard, Sasha Gray, Nietzsche, Aja, Sartre, Hypathia Lee, De Beauvoir, Keisha, and Buber.
User avatar
dinopello
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6088
Joined: Fri 13 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: The Urban Village

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby vision-master » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 09:47:23

TW sounds like he's got serious issues and should be put out of harms way. :lol:
vision-master
 

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Byron100 » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 10:10:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')W sounds like he's got serious issues and should be put out of harms way. :lol:


No worries there, mate. :)

When it all come down, folks like him won't be long for the world. Self defense comes first and foremost...and yes, we WILL defend ourselves. You can take that to the bank.
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide...
...and the meek shall inherit the Earth!
User avatar
Byron100
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 973
Joined: Thu 08 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Atlanta, GA

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby TWilliam » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 13:21:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')W sounds like he's got serious issues and should be put out of harms way. :lol:

Perhaps, VM, folks such as yourself, Byron, SeaGypsy and Ludi will begin to comprehend where I'm coming from once they have had the opportunity to watch a parent or other loved one starve to death over the course of months because the closest the arrogant pricks in their state's legislature would come to allowing a hospice to aid someone's transition from this life was to withhold tubal and intravenous feeding. Note that they did not allow the withholding of hand feeding if you could get the person to take it, nor were they permitted to withhold hydration (intravenously if necessary), which of course would have greatly shortened the ordeal.

If you haven't experienced it, then you have no idea how heart-wrenching it is to watch someone you love literally waste away, and if you do, I expect your un-informed opinions might change a bit. And if any of you have witnessed it and still think I'm a 'fascist eugenicist' for wanting to minimize such suffering, then you are one seriously cruel f*ck.

Hitler indeed...
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby vision-master » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 13:49:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')W sounds like he's got serious issues and should be put out of harms way. :lol:

Perhaps, VM, folks such as yourself, Byron, SeaGypsy and Ludi will begin to comprehend where I'm coming from once they have had the opportunity to watch a parent or other loved one starve to death over the course of months because the closest the arrogant pricks in their state's legislature would come to allowing a hospice to aid someone's transition from this life was to withhold tubal and intravenous feeding. Note that they did not allow the withholding of hand feeding if you could get the person to take it, nor were they permitted to withhold hydration (intravenously if necessary), which of course would have greatly shortened the ordeal.

If you haven't experienced it, then you have no idea how heart-wrenching it is to watch someone you love literally waste away, and if you do, I expect your un-informed opinions might change a bit. And if any of you have witnessed it and still think I'm a 'fascist eugenicist' for wanting to minimize such suffering, then you are one seriously cruel f*ck.

Hitler indeed...


This 'parent' should have...........
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')arning! If you have ever thought "I don't want to be kept alive by machines" then you must have a "Living Will". A "Living Will" form is a written statement by you saying that you do not want your life artificially prolonged and states whether or not you want hydration or nutrition. Very likely, if something tragic happens to you and you are put on life support, you will not be able to state your desire. The only sure way to state your desire is to make a "Living Will" before something happens.



What's so hard about this?
vision-master
 
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby TWilliam » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 13:56:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')his 'parent' should have...........
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')arning! If you have ever thought "I don't want to be kept alive by machines" then you must have a "Living Will". A "Living Will" form is a written statement by you saying that you do not want your life artificially prolonged and states whether or not you want hydration or nutrition. Very likely, if something tragic happens to you and you are put on life support, you will not be able to state your desire. The only sure way to state your desire is to make a "Living Will" before something happens.



What's so hard about this?

This 'parent' did have a 'Living Will'. Guess what? They don't trump state law. The hospice was permitted to comply with it only insofar as they did not violate the law, regardless of said 'parent's' wishes.

Maybe this isn't true in all states, but it was in theirs. Believe me, we checked. Thoroughly...
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Ludi » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 13:57:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'y')ou have no idea how heart-wrenching it is to watch someone you love



You have a very unclear way of expressing these ideas, by calling these loved ones "parasites" and lumping them in with "grifters" and lazy people who don't feel like working. It's no wonder many people here can't tell what you have been trying to say.

Maybe developing a clearer way of expressing your ideas would help, instead of accusing people who are confused by you "disingenuous."

I still can't tell from what you say what sorts of people you would like to legally euthanize. Maybe you can clarify.

Are you talking about euthanizing terminally ill people? Anyone who is disabled? "Grifters"/petty criminals? Lazy people who don't want to work?

Please be very specific.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow do you determine who is a "parasite"?

What percentage of the population are "parasites" and what do you think would be the best policy for dealing with them?

Both good questions Ludi, and I don't pretend to know the answers, tho' I would think that something along the lines of "one who demonstrates an ongoing pattern of accepting communal welfare (of whatever kind), while also demonstrating little to no interest in becoming self-supporting or in at least contributing in some significant manner" would serve as a baseline reference for answering the first. If such a person has family or friends who wish to support them that's fine, but I feel it is wrong to coerce (tax) those who do not.

As far as 'dealing with them', I think I've made my position in this regard clear elsewhere in this forum. Suffice to say here that I believe we do so at our peril when we attempt to circumvent Nature's laws...
Ludi
 
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 14:04:18

Interestingly enough there is a counterpart to Eugenics: Dysgenics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgenics

You either believe in people living in a natural (ie more animal-like) state where natural selection takes place, or a civilized state where you either believe in eugenics or dysgenics.

Eugenics got a bad name because Hitler was a psychotic idiot.

I do think the longer a society has to allow dysgenics to become a factor by allowing those to survive & breed that nature wouldn't allow to, that eventually the society will fall prey to a selection mechanism, collapse and be replaced by another society.

Every dog has his day.
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
User avatar
rangerone314
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4105
Joined: Wed 03 Dec 2008, 04:00:00
Location: Maryland

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby vision-master » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 14:06:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou have a very unclear way of expressing these ideas, by calling these loved ones "parasites" and lumping them in with "grifters" and lazy people who don't feel like working. It's no wonder many people here can't tell what you have been trying to say.


Like Ludi say's?
vision-master
 
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby vision-master » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 14:09:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')nterestingly enough there is a counterpart to Eugenics: Dysgenics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgenics

You either believe in people living in a natural (ie more animal-like) state where natural selection takes place, or a civilized state where you either believe in eugenics or dysgenics.

Eugenics got a bad name because Hitler was a psychotic idiot.

I do think the longer a society has to allow dysgenics to become a factor by allowing those to survive & breed that nature wouldn't allow to, that eventually the society will fall prey to a selection mechanism, collapse and be replaced by another society.

Every dog has his day.


So, my question is; are we merely beasts of burden or spiritual beings from a higher order?
vision-master
 
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby TWilliam » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 14:23:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ou have a very unclear way of expressing these ideas, by calling these loved ones "parasites" and lumping them in with "grifters" and lazy people who don't feel like working. It's no wonder many people here can't tell what you have been trying to say.

Maybe developing a clearer way of expressing your ideas would help, instead of accusing people who are confused by you "disingenuous."

I still can't tell from what you say what sorts of people you would like to legally euthanize. Maybe you can clarify.

Are you talking about euthanizing terminally ill people? Anyone who is disabled? "Grifters"/petty criminals? Lazy people who don't want to work?

Please be very specific.

Alright Ludi, I will try to answer as clearly as I can. In order to do so however, I first need you to answer a few questions of mine:

1) Do you believe that a large-scale human dieoff is likely to occur in the near future (meaning say, over the course of this century)?

2) Assuming, for the moment, that you do believe such a dieoff will be occurring, do you also believe that there exists the potential for this dieoff to encompass the complete extinction of the human species? Not that it necessarily will, but that it could?

3) Assuming, for the moment, that you do believe that such a potential exists, do you believe that it is possible to increase the chances of avoiding complete extinction, depending on how we respond as a species to impending dieoff?

Please answer these three questions 'yes' or 'no'. No waffling, no changing the subject, no 'what ifs' or 'suppose thats'. Depending on your responses, I may have a few more to ask.
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Ludi » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 14:29:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ou have a very unclear way of expressing these ideas, by calling these loved ones "parasites" and lumping them in with "grifters" and lazy people who don't feel like working. It's no wonder many people here can't tell what you have been trying to say.

Maybe developing a clearer way of expressing your ideas would help, instead of accusing people who are confused by you "disingenuous."

I still can't tell from what you say what sorts of people you would like to legally euthanize. Maybe you can clarify.

Are you talking about euthanizing terminally ill people? Anyone who is disabled? "Grifters"/petty criminals? Lazy people who don't want to work?

Please be very specific.

Alright Ludi, I will try to answer as clearly as I can. In order to do so however, I first need you to answer a few questions of mine:

1) Do you believe that a large-scale human dieoff is likely to occur in the near future (meaning say, over the course of this century)?

2) Assuming, for the moment, that you do believe such a dieoff will be occurring, do you also believe that there exists the potential for this dieoff to encompass the complete extinction of the human species? Not that it necessarily will, but that it could?

3) Assuming, for the moment, that you do believe that such a potential exists, do you believe that it is possible to increase the chances of avoiding complete extinction, depending on how we respond as a species to impending dieoff?

Please answer these three questions 'yes' or 'no'. No waffling, no changing the subject, no 'what ifs' or 'suppose thats'. Depending on your responses, I may have a few more to ask.



I will not answer your questions. YOU brought up the issue of "parasites" and legal killing of humans.

There is no reason for me to answer your questions in order for you to clarify your position.
Ludi
 
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby TWilliam » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 14:59:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') will not answer your questions. YOU brought up the issue of "parasites" and legal killing of humans.

There is no reason for me to answer your questions in order for you to clarify your position.

Then you are not truly interested in my answers to yours. Besides, I have already answered them at length in this thread. In one of my initial posts, which you just quoted some minutes ago, I was quite specific about who I labeled as 'parasites':
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '&')quot;one who demonstrates an ongoing pattern of accepting communal welfare (of whatever kind), while also demonstrating little to no interest in becoming self-supporting or in at least contributing in some significant manner"

I consider this group as inclusive of, tho' not exclusively, 'grifters'. It does not include those who are incapable of contributing.

I have also been quite clear, I believe, that I do not include terminally ill, disabled or genetically diseased people in that category. You are the one who is repeatedly confabulating them and interchanging them throughout this conversation.

I asked at the outset that given that there will be dieoff, is it more humane to allow Nature to simply take its course, with all the misery and suffering that implies, or is it more humane to attempt to minimize that suffering and misery. You still have not answered that fundamental question, which is what all of my discussion, at least, has been about.

Anyway I'm off to work now...
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Ludi » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 15:53:00

Thank you for clarifying.
Ludi
 

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Ferretlover » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 16:09:01

Who is a "parasite?" Well, I think that people in who are in prison with a 'Life without parole' sentence are parasites. And then, there are illegal alien "immigrants" who, for the most part, could not exist here without taxpayers' money.
"Open the gates of hell!" ~Morgan Freeman's character in the movie, Olympus Has Fallen.
Ferretlover
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 5852
Joined: Wed 13 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Hundreds of miles further inland

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby vision-master » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 16:21:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')William wrote:
"one who demonstrates an ongoing pattern of accepting communal welfare (of whatever kind), while also demonstrating little to no interest in becoming self-supporting or in at least contributing in some significant manner"


It could happen to you. :lol:
vision-master
 
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby davep » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 16:52:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'W')ho is a "parasite?" Well, I think that people in who are in prison with a 'Life without parole' sentence are parasites. And then, there are illegal alien "immigrants" who, for the most part, could not exist here without taxpayers' money.


In what way is an illegal alien on benefits any more of a parasite than an American perpetually on benefits? The net effect is the same.
What we think, we become.
User avatar
davep
Senior Moderator
Senior Moderator
 
Posts: 4579
Joined: Wed 21 Jun 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Europe
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 16:53:27

We're using parasite as a metaphor of course, since humans don't attach themselves or wriggle around inside of other creatures like true parasites do. Therefor, and this is the point, it isn't possible to precisely answer the question. It is subjective. What if grand dad made millions and you clip coupons? Parasite? What about property rights?
Turn those Machines back On! - Don Ameche in Trading Places
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 17:03:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')nterestingly enough there is a counterpart to Eugenics: Dysgenics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgenics

You either believe in people living in a natural (ie more animal-like) state where natural selection takes place, or a civilized state where you either believe in eugenics or dysgenics.

Eugenics got a bad name because Hitler was a psychotic idiot.

I do think the longer a society has to allow dysgenics to become a factor by allowing those to survive & breed that nature wouldn't allow to, that eventually the society will fall prey to a selection mechanism, collapse and be replaced by another society.

Every dog has his day.


So, my question is; are we merely beasts of burden or spiritual beings from a higher order?


Don't know the answer to that question for sure. I think that what separates man from animals is NOT that man IS better than other animals, but that man has the hubris to THINK that he is better than other animals.

I would ask that someone proves to me humans are spiritual beings, and if they can prove that, then prove that animals are NOT spiritual beings.
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
User avatar
rangerone314
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4105
Joined: Wed 03 Dec 2008, 04:00:00
Location: Maryland
Top

Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Postby Pops » Thu 05 Mar 2009, 17:12:04

In the metaphorical sense, any "one" who takes more than they give is a parasite.

But the balance of trade as it were is open to interpretation.

Someone in prison for life arguably gives less guilt to a society than one executed.

An illegal who harvests vegetables or does construction makes food and shelter cheaper.


Both seem to me to be where the "organism" has found their role or they would not have their place.



I'm thinking we are just now coming awake to the real parasites:

"What happened to the retirement money you worked so hard for?"

"Bernie Madoff with it."
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
User avatar
Pops
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 19746
Joined: Sat 03 Apr 2004, 04:00:00
Location: QuikSac for a 6-Pac

PreviousNext

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron