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THE US Tax Thread (merged)

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Your current federal tax (as a percentage)?

Poll ended at Sun 03 Apr 2005, 15:29:51

0 to 5 percent
3
No votes
5 to 10 percent
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No votes
10 to 15 percent
3
No votes
15 to 20 percent
4
No votes
20 to 25 percent
1
No votes
25 to 30 percent
5
No votes
> 30 percent
5
No votes
 
Total votes : 23

Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 17:17:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=150]California's pot crop is a $14-billion industry, putting it above vegetables ($5.7 billion) and grapes ($2.6 billion). If so, that could mean upward of $1 billion in tax revenue for the state each year.[/size]


If pot were legalized, the demand for pot would skyrocket (presumably); thus, that $14-billion California market would likely balloon by many times.

Also, if pot were taxed heavily, and if all of the pot-related criminals were let free, the economic benefit to states could, in theory, far exceed the health-related detriment of excessive pot use.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 17:59:32

[quote][--THC impairment is visually and chemically difficult to measure but nonetheless dangerous. It can not be easily measured (like alcohol) so inappropriate or dangerous behavior is not easily predicted or prevented.
/quote]

How is it dangerous? :lol:
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby Kristen » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:08:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '-')-

So even if it were legalized (unlikely) it could not be taxed. Wwho would you tax, the gardener?


No, but people are lazy in this society. Marlboro would tske over.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:16:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '-')-

So even if it were legalized (unlikely) it could not be taxed. Wwho would you tax, the gardener?


No, but people are lazy in this society. Marlboro would tske over.


Filtered or straights? :lol:
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:24:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')--THC impairment is visually and chemically difficult to measure but nonetheless dangerous. It can not be easily measured (like alcohol) so inappropriate or dangerous behavior is not easily predicted or prevented.
/quote]

How is it dangerous? :lol:


Its main danger is if people use it and then operate a vehicle.

I guess you could get so high that you drop your joint and start a grass fire leading to a forrest fire, but that happens with cigs already.

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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby Maddog78 » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:26:06

Great idea but it will go nowhere.
The US is in love with it's "War On Drugs."
The LEO's and Prison guard unions will fight it tooth and nail.
They love the job security and having those helicopters and SUV's to play with that the War On Drugs provides.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:29:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')--THC impairment is visually and chemically difficult to measure but nonetheless dangerous. It can not be easily measured (like alcohol) so inappropriate or dangerous behavior is not easily predicted or prevented.
/quote]

How is it dangerous? :lol:


Its main danger is if people use it and then operate a vehicle.

I guess you could get so high that you drop your joint and start a grass fire leading to a forrest fire, but that happens with cigs already.

TF



Sir, you were stopped for going under 40mph. This is a freeway! :lol:
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:31:11

Can-o-butter.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby Kristen » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:35:39

Well they might as well legalize it. As if California's driving could get anyworse anyway, right? This is such a huge issue for people. Half the country is doped on pharmacueticals most the time.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:40:13

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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby Maddog78 » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 18:49:20

:lol: Too funny.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'G')reat idea but it will go nowhere.
The US is in love with it's "War On Drugs."
The LEO's and Prison guard unions will fight it tooth and nail.
They love the job security and having those helicopters and SUV's to play with that the War On Drugs provides.
The cops are starving up here since 215 went into affect. Have you ever seen a skinny cop? Pitiful. :razz:

I got a speeding ticket a few days ago out in "Area 101" that magical stretch between Willets and Garberville where there is no cell phone or radio coverage. I've never see CHPs that far out. They must be desperate for income. With gasoline cheaper they can afford to hunt further from the barracks.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 22:56:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', 'I')f pot were legalized, the demand for pot would skyrocket (presumably); thus, that $14-billion California market would likely balloon by many times.

No, it would not. This is one of the most persistent pieces of false anti-drug propaganda out there:

The available research, as affirmed by a recent Federal analysis of drug policy, indicates there would be little if any increase in use.

From 1972 to 1978, eleven states decriminalized marijuana possession (covering one-third of the US population) and 33 other states reduced punishment to probation with record erased after six months to one year. Yet, after 1978 marijuana use steadily declined for over a decade. Decriminalization did not increase marijuana use.
[National Research Council, "Informing America’s Policy On Illegal Drugs: What We Don’t Know Keeps Hurting Us" (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 2001), pp. 192-193.]

The Netherlands decriminalized possession and allowed small scale sales of marijuana beginning in 1976. Yet, marijuana use in Holland is half the rate of use in the USA. It is also lower than the United Kingdom which had continued to treat possession as a crime. The UK is now moving toward decriminalization.
[Center for Drug Research, "Licit and Illicit Drug Use in The Netherlands 1997" (University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands: CEDRO, 1999; Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, "Drug Policy in the Netherlands: Progress Report Sept. 1997-Sept. 1999 (The Hague, The Netherlands: Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Nov. 1999); US Dept. of Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse 1998, 1999, and 2000 (Washington, DC: SAMHSA).


From DrugWarDistortions.org.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, if pot were taxed heavily, and if all of the pot-related criminals were let free, the economic benefit to states could, in theory, far exceed the health-related detriment of excessive pot use.

'Health-related detriment' is minimal-to-non-existent with regard to cannabis. The only aspect of cannabis use shown to have any consistently negative impact on health is the actual smoking of it, and it is the by-products of combustion that present the risk, not the psychoactive components. These impacts can be completely mitigated by utilizing means of ingestion other than smoking.

Cannabis is quite likely the safest known intoxicant on the planet...
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby hironegro » Wed 25 Feb 2009, 00:16:29

Weed is over-rated stimulant, and the novelty would wear off.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 25 Feb 2009, 11:12:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://rawstory.com/news/2008/California_lawmaker_introduces_pot_legalization_bill_0223.html]California lawmaker introduces pot legalization bill[/url]


The bill would remove "all penalties under California law for the cultivation, transportation, sale, purchase, possession, and use of marijuana, natural THC and paraphernalia by persons over the age of 21"; would "prohibit local and state law enforcement officials from enforcing federal marijuana laws"; and would create a $50 state fee for each ounce of marijuana sold, beyond whatever pot will cost once it becomes legal, the newspaper reported.

Speaking Monday at the San Francisco press conference, a retired Orange County judge said "the most harmful thing about marijuana today is prison ." Judge James P. Gray, who recently retired from his 25-year post and has run for Congress as a Republican, said prohibition of pot "clogs the court system."
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby Maddog78 » Wed 25 Feb 2009, 13:48:16

Wow, that is a huge step.
Does it have any chance of passing?

I'll have to check out the B.C.M.P. (British Columbia Marij. Paty) site.
I'm sure they will be ecstatic about this development.
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Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

Unread postby charliebrownout » Wed 25 Feb 2009, 20:25:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
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Seems like during times of great stress - financial stress - such as the country is experiencing now - that big changes, such drug legalization, become more probable.


I don't smoke, but I also don't care if other people do. Alcohol seems to be a much more damaging habit than pot, anyway...and it's legal.

Really, the war on drugs is such a bad joke.
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Bankers warn: taxing bonuses will put US into "stone age"

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 20 Mar 2009, 23:01:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Banker fury over tax ‘witch-hunt’

Bankers on Wall Street and in Europe have struck back against moves by US lawmakers to slap punitive taxes on bonuses paid to high earners at bailed-out institutions.

Senior executives on both sides of the Atlantic on Friday warned of an exodus of talent from some of the biggest names in US finance, saying the “anti-American” measures smacked of “a McCarthy witch-hunt” that would send the country “back to the stone age”.

“Finance is one of America’s great industries, and they’re destroying it,” said one banker at a firm that has accepted public money. “This happened out of haste and anger over AIG, but we’re not like AIG.”

he banker added: “It’s like a McCarthy witch-hunt...This is the most profoundly anti- American thing I’ve ever seen.”

Vikram Pandit, Citigroup’s chief executive, told employees in a memo that some anger about executive compensation was “warranted”. But he hit out against the idea of a special tax. “The work we have all done to try to stabilise the financial system and to get this economy moving again would be significantly set back if we lose our talented people because Congress imposes a special tax on financial services employees,” he wrote.

[ AND HERE COMES THE THREAT ]

Some policymakers expressed concern that banks may try to break out of the government’s embrace by paying back public capital even if the price is a more severe credit squeeze.

[ YUP, THAT WAS A THREAT -- THEY'RE SAYING THEY'LL MAKE THINGS WORSE IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR FULL BONUSES ]

In Frankfurt one employee at a US investment bank said the new tax measures would “send [the US] back to the stone age”.

[AGAIN, THE STONE AGE DRAMATICS ]

“Commodity traders are already moving to companies like BP where they can make as much money as they used to,” said another banker at a US firm.

[ DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YA, ENJOY YOUR FISH AND CHIPS MATE ]

Bankers at Deutsche Bank said it could benefit from the proposed legislation by poaching its US rivals’ most talented employees.

[ PLEASE, DO SEND ALL THIS TALENT TO GERMANY! CAN YOU TAKE CNBC WITH YOU?]


[ comments in brackets were my gratuitous two cents ]
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Re: Bankers warn: taxing bonuses will put US into "stone age"

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 20 Mar 2009, 23:06:55

The banker bullies are threatening to beat us up if we don't hand over our lunch money again.
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