[sparky]

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Australian farming proverb

" the best sign of the end of a drought is when the banks start repossessing ,
during the bad times , they wait so the broke farmer maintain the farm for them for free "


the nicest way to loose money is bad women ( or shopping )
the fastest is gambling
but the surest is farming

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[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I')f the food was distributed "properly" meaning that every schmoe gets his share of whatever crop/calories available worldwide, regardless of his personal input into the food production or global economy in general, this will not just bankrupt whomever is forced to " share" , but also will cause a popuiation explosion which will jeopardize lifes and wellbeing of whomever who decided to 'sponsor" them. There are no jobs and no food in Africa but every vagina has popped 6 kids on the average, imagine what would they do if they will get acess to unlimited free food.

[jugasan]

BELIEVE OR NOT, WE ARE GOING TO FACE FOOD SHORTAGE

[starsky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jugasan', 'B')ELIEVE OR NOT, WE ARE GOING TO FACE FOOD SHORTAGE

[kiwichick]

from the dust bowl (Southeastern Australia)

dairy farmers have just had their payouts cut by 30% while irrigation water costs 10x the cost just 5 years ago

interest rates have been cut significantly but after 12 years of " below average" rainfall many are struggling financially

cropping farmers are in even worse position , crops are definately failing but they are still being used ; dairy farmers buy them to replace the grass they would usually grow with the irrigation water

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'y')ou don't really believe I missed that self-serving conditional phrase ('or global economy in general') b*llshit, do you?
I do not care. Self-serving is a concept of life itself, you wouldnt be here spewing your liberastic saliva if your ancestors werent self-serving.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')So African slaves who works 12 hours a day for a bowl of millet, and his kid dies from malnutrition, but because he doesn't spend his day spewing crap such as yours on the internet (and "contributing") to the "global economy" etc.

[sparky]

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pstarr wrote:
Oh Damn. I forgot what useless point your were making. Oh. I remember. Your pasty white ass is supposed to be worth more than an African's. Dream on



beside being anti white racist comment ,it's also plain wrong
everybody is entittled to think they are much better than anyone else ,

statistically they have a better than even chance of being right !
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[notill]

I$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n regards to what oil finder pointed out. What information lead people to believe we would see mass famines last year and why is it different this year? My understanding is that enormous quantities of food are wasted and more could be grown if nessasary ( ie instead of using a pasture for raising steer's we could grow wheat in it instead). Of course these droughts, overuse of clean water, soil depletion, and a ballooning population will probably set up a famine that will dwarf anything that has come before.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')why is it different this year?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
pstarr wrote:
Oh Damn. I forgot what useless point your were making. Oh. I remember. Your pasty white ass is supposed to be worth more than an African's. Dream on



beside being anti white racist comment ,it's also plain wrong
everybody is entittled to think they are much better than anyone else ,

statistically they have a better than even chance of being right !
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[notill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o do you believe we have reached "Peak People" yet?

[sparky]

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yep , also there has been a strong decline in the farming population ,
only the mad , the stuborn and the old stick with it ,
an industry wich loose its members can't be that flash ,
farming term of trade has to improve on the stone cold fact that cities have to be fed


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[the48thronin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')

<SNIP>
farming term of trade has to improve on the stone cold fact that cities have to be fed


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[sparky]

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oh oh , you are right ,for the term of trade the best is to let them starve

To bring some bull dust to your armory ,
Ibn khaldun , a muslim thinker fron the 14th century ,
worked out a theory opposing " the sown " ( farmers ) and " the build " ( cities )

He said , that all societies start as succesful villages , then increase their control over others neighboors ,
raise some contribution over them , expand more ,
get more revenues , build cities who need more contribution to be fed ,

eventually the cities grows so big ..a small increase in their needs is a huge increase for the farmers
who struggle to produce enough and are compelled harshly to do so .
finally a radom crisis make the system of exchange colapse in troubles , cities shrinks or disapears
the farmers once more keep most of what they produce and set up their own defence

and the cycle start again

[the48thronin]

maybe this time, looking at the disaster and poison the cities have done to the land, the cycle stops?

[sparky]

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Naahhh , just a much bigger bust

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[wisconsin_cur]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/be81e162-550a-11de-b5d4-00144feabdc0.html#

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter a year worrying about the piggy bank, the world economy is turning its attention to the cupboard.

Almost unnoticed, agricultural commodities prices have returned to levels last seen at the start of the 2007-2008 food crisis, prompting concerns about a fresh rise in food costs.

The increase in soyabean, corn and wheat prices – to their highest level in eight to nine months and up more than 50 per cent from their December lows – comes on the back of strong Chinese demand, a forecast of lower supply due to reduced planting, and the impact of a drought in Latin America.

[sparky]

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Same story as usual ,
there was a massive planting of wheat last season to take advantage of good prices ,
it somewhat restrained wheat prices but send soybeans through the roof , also some issues with weather

the all important northern harvest season is nearly there ,

the measure of security is something called Year ending stocks ,
that's the quantity of grain left as a safety margin when the new harvest come in
it is usually more than two months , in 2007 it shrank to two weeks
We will be Ok this season but it get harder all the time and the weather is a law unto itself

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