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Re: US outsources $40 billion in warplane production to Dutc

Postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 01 Mar 2008, 17:28:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drake', 'W')here did you get the idea EADS and Airbus was a dutch company?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company EADS N.V. (EADS) is a large European aerospace corporation, formed by the merger on July 10, 2000 of DaimlerChrysler Aerospace AG (DASA) of Germany, Aerospatiale-Matra of France, and Construcciones Aeronauticas SA (CASA) of Spain. The company develops and markets civil and military aircraft, as well as missiles, space rockets, satellites, and related systems. The company is headquartered in the Netherlands in Schiphol-Rijk. The company operates under Dutch law.

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Re: US outsources $40 billion in warplane production to Dutc

Postby SILENTTODD » Sat 01 Mar 2008, 18:00:11

The way the dollar has been collapsing against the Euro, I wonder how many of these the Air Force hopes to complete before they're priced out of their budget.
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Re: US outsources $40 billion in warplane production to Dutc

Postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 01 Mar 2008, 18:09:33

Hopefully it is written in the contract that we will pay them with dollars. So fire up the presses:

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Re: US outsources $40 billion in warplane production to Dutc

Postby heroineworshipper » Sat 01 Mar 2008, 21:20:23

They would build the planes on Jupiter if they had to. Anything beats Americans. Guess it's more convenient to make refueling tankers in the same vicinity that Marine I is made.

Funny how it takes the per capita GPD of Europe in taxes to sustain Europe's per capita GDP.

Instead of paying our air force all this money to turn it over to Europe, why not just get rid of our airforce & pay a European air force directly?
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New twist on outsourcing

Postby outcast » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 03:57:06

New model: Lay off a bunch of American and Canadian workers and tell them if they want their jobs back they need to move to a cheaper country
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW DELHI: Armonk-based IBM which recently gave pinkslips to above 2000 employees in the US and Canada has an `innovative’ offer for them: Re-locate to cheaper destinations.

In a move to support the pinkslipped employees, the world’s largest technology employer has asked its laid-off employees in US and Canada to join its projects in cheaper-wage destinations like India, China, Brazil and Eastern Europe.

In the last week of January, IBM had announced atleast 2,800 jobs cuts to trim costs as customer spending squeezes. The firings took place in the sales and distribution unit and software division.

The company has asked the laid-off staff to join IBM's new Project Match programme, which would help ex-employees to relocate in IBM's low-cost operation countries. Under the programme, the company will also be offering financial assistance with moving costs and immigration help with visa issues.

I suppose it's slightly better than just outsourcing the job instead of the employee and the job, but still I can't imagine too many of those people are happy with the idea.
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outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 18:21:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')ntil last year, people in the Ethiopian settlement of Elliah earned a living by farming their land and fishing. Now, they are employees.

Dozens of women and children pack dirt into bags for palm seedlings along the banks of the Baro River, seedlings whose oil will be exported to India and China. They work for Bangalore- based Karuturi Global Ltd., which is leasing 300,000 hectares (741,000 acres) of local land, an area larger than Luxembourg.

The jobs pay less than the World Bank’s $1.25-per-day poverty threshold, even as the project has the potential to enrich international investors with annual earnings that the company expects to exceed $100 million by 2013.

“My business is the third wave of outsourcing,” Sai Ramakrishna Karuturi, the 44-year-old managing director of Karuturi Global, said at the company’s dusty office in the western town of Gambella. “Everyone is investing in China for manufacturing; everyone is investing in India for services. Everybody needs to invest in Africa for food.”

Workers in Elliah say they weren’t consulted on the deal to lease land around the village, and that not much of the money is trickling down.

At a Karuturi site 20 kilometers from Elliah, more than a dozen tractors clear newly burned savannah for a corn crop to be planted in June. Omeud Obank, 50, guards the site 24 hours a day, six days a week. The job helps support his family of 10 on a salary of 600 birr per month, more than the 450 birr he earned monthly as a soldier in the Ethiopian army.

Obank said it isn’t enough to adequately feed and clothe his family.

“These Indians do not have any humanity,” he said, speaking of his employers. “Just because we are poor it doesn’t make us less human.”

Obang Moe, a 13-year-old who earns 10 birr per day working part-time in a nursery with 105,000 palm seedlings, calls her work “a tough job.” While the cash income supplements her family’s income from their corn plot, she said that many days they still only have enough food for one meal.

Buntin Buli, a 21-year-old supervisor at the nursery who earns 600 birr a month, said he hopes Karuturi will use some of its earnings to improve working conditions and provide housing and food. “Otherwise we would have been better off working on our own lands,” he said.
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To be fair, it's not just Indians but also investment funds from Russia and the US getting in on the act. I think the Indians especially stand out for the cheapness, paying their child workers just to enough to eat once per day (if that). Is there any humanity left in the world? I mean come on, if you're running a crop export plantation, then you can at least afford to properly feed the employees (slaves).

These poor people are wondering what the heck happened, before they were just farming the land themselves and then this company comes along and announces they own all the land now and the villagers are hungrier than before.

As for the larger picture here, African development is the third wave of outsourcing. The is the grand scheme -- manufacturing goes to China, India gets the service jobs (IT, call centers, legal document reviews, all manner of back office work), and Africa is targeted for the agricultural outsourcing. (so what does that leave the US? government jobs, I guess)
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby americandream » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:05:18

We just declared our black workers "terrorists" when they refused to work in the "good old" Western dominated apartheid South Africa. Then we flogged them and dropped them off in some god forsaken dustbowl of a homeland. Occasionally, they took flying lessons from the top floor of the high rise secret service building in John Vorster Square.
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby mattduke » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:07:21

Why don't they go back to what they were doing before they were offered, and accepted, the jobs? Better yet, why don't YOU hire them for more! At least these employers offered them something they considered to be an improvement. You offered them nothing, yet complain about those who do.
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 20:00:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'W')hy don't they go back to what they were doing before they were offered, and accepted, the jobs? Better yet, why don't YOU hire them for more! At least these employers offered them something they considered to be an improvement. You offered them nothing, yet complain about those who do.


You must not have read what I pasted.

The villagers farmed the land surrounding the village.. then the government leased out 300,000 acres of the surrounding land. So, their homelands now belong to this Indian company.. what else could they do other than become "employees?"

All these Ethiopian workers are asking for is something better than what they had before. As the one guy said, if they're going to be worse off as employees than they'd have been better just farming the land for themselves like they have for generations.

And keep in mind, all we're talking about here is another 40 cents per day, which is the international standard for the lowest poverty wage ($1.25). But these Indians are so cheap, they only want to pay these workers enough to eat once per day -- essentially, just enough to keep them alive.

All this matters to us firstworlders because this is what the American working man is up against -- 80 cent per day wages. This is why there is such tremendous downward pressure on our wages. It's not that the elites want the whole world to have a better standard of living, they just want the whole world to be impoverished serfs.
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby Daniel_Plainview » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 20:15:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')meud Obank, 50, guards the site 24 hours a day, six days a week. The job helps support his family of 10 on a salary of 600 birr per month, more than the 450 birr he earned monthly as a soldier in the Ethiopian army.

Obank said it isn’t enough to adequately feed and clothe his family.



Supporting a family of 10 on a salary of 600 birr per month seems problematic ... :razz:
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby americandream » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 20:21:40

And whose going to give them this "something better"? If it's not Indian businesses, it will be Western businesses, if not them, then the Chinese and so on and so forth. It's a bit rich that Bloomberg which cheerleads theft by Western capitalists, now takes to publishing these hand wringers on the antics of Asian capitalists.

My experience of the Western capitalist in Africa is that he has set the benchmark in "low". He then pressed for open trade globally, fighting an expensive Cold War in the process, and is in no position to play the "bleeding heart" when others emulate him.

I suspect that a little competition between these self-serving vermin may actually see the African better off rather than the monopolistic exploitation we have had to date.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'W')hy don't they go back to what they were doing before they were offered, and accepted, the jobs? Better yet, why don't YOU hire them for more! At least these employers offered them something they considered to be an improvement. You offered them nothing, yet complain about those who do.


You must not have read what I pasted.

The villagers farmed the land surrounding the village.. then the government leased out 300,000 acres of the surrounding land. So, their homelands now belong to this Indian company.. what else could they do other than become "employees?"

All these Ethiopian workers are asking for is something better than what they had before. As the one guy said, if they're going to be worse off as employees than they'd have been better just farming the land for themselves like they have for generations.

And keep in mind, all we're talking about here is another 40 cents per day, which is the international standard for the lowest poverty wage ($1.25). But these Indians are so cheap, they only want to pay these workers enough to eat once per day -- essentially, just enough to keep them alive.

All this matter to us firstworlders is because this is what the American working man is up against -- 80 cent per day wages. This is why there is such tremendous downward pressure on our wages. It's not that the elites want the whole world to have a better standard of living, they just want the whole world to be impoverished serfs.
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby frankthetank » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 20:26:02

These comparisons drive me nuts

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')n area larger than Luxembourg.


Its like how they always use these tiny little states to compare sizes to things like ice bergs/etc... so annoying..

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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 20:28:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')t's a bit rich that Bloomberg which cheerleads theft by Western capitalists, now takes to publishing these hand wringers on the antics of Asian capitalists.
Well, don't be fooled this isn't a bleeding heart expose. Bloomberg readers want to know where there's money to be made, and they want to know global trends.

The take-away here from a business standpoint is that there's gold in them thar African slaves. Here's another article on bloomie about Indian shenanigans: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nfosys Technologies, meanwhile, is planning an operation in Dallas, to target some of the $52 billion the U.S. government will spend on outsourcing work just in 2010.

For the Indians, American facilities can mean more work on government and health-care projects -- areas where laws prevent the transfer of data overseas. Some critics say that the new centers are little more than political cover and that they do little to boost employment in the U.S.

“One reason they are doing this is for public relations,” says Ron Hira, an expert on offshoring at Rochester Institute of Technology. “They want to send the message, ‘We’re creating jobs for Americans.’”

It’s true that the jobs the Indians have created in the U.S. are a rounding error compared with their overall workforce. Even as it hired a few hundred American employees in 2009, TCS took on tens of thousands of newbies in India. And TCS has more than 11,000 Indians working in the U.S. on temporary visas, while Wipro has 7,000. link
Basically, governors across the US are wooing and throwing tax breaks to Indian companies to open token facilities here. They hire a few Americans, but the great bulk of the work is still done in India. And worse, with their American facilities they just import as many H1B visa Indians as they can.

The advantage to having a token US facility is access to the billions of dollars in government and healthcare work.
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby Pretorian » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 21:04:17

The best part is that you dont even have to buy them to begin with. Why do you think slavery was abolished.
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby threadbear » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 21:06:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '[')The villagers farmed the land surrounding the village.. then the government leased out 300,000 acres of the surrounding land. So, their homelands now belong to this Indian company.. what else could they do other than become "employees?" --snip--
All this matters to us firstworlders because this is what the American working man is up against -- 80 cent per day wages. This is why there is such tremendous downward pressure on our wages. It's not that the elites want the whole world to have a better standard of living, they just want the whole world to be impoverished serfs.
I think what people don't understand is, in the third world it is VERY uncommon, or completely unprecedented for individuals to own their land or homes legally, though title. It has always been a case of claiming land and defending it, not unlike it was in Europe for centuries, until relatively recently. Hernando Desoto wrote a great book about this. link
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Re: outsourcing 3rd wave: Indians paying slave wages in Africa

Postby americandream » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 21:54:55

Indian, Western, Chinese, Japanese, Korean bosses. It's all the same ol', same ol'. Only different faces. The only glimmer of hope in all of this is that exploitation has been de-monopolised and for the absolute bottom feeders, their lives may be uplifted a little to the tolerably painful, which is where those of the rest of us who depend on a paypacket and employment, are headed.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')ell, don't be fooled this isn't a bleeding heart expose. Bloomberg readers want to know where there's money to be made, and they want to know global trends. The take-away here from a business standpoint is that there's gold in them thar African slaves.
Here's another article on bloomie about Indian shenanigan$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nfosys Technologies, meanwhile, is planning an operation in Dallas, to target some of the $52 billion the U.S. government will spend on outsourcing work just in 2010.
--snip-- And TCS has more than 11,000 Indians working in the U.S. on temporary visas, while Wipro has 7,000. link
Basically, governors across the US are wooing and throwing tax breaks to Indian companies to open token facilities here. --snip-- The advantage to having a token US facility is access to the billions of dollars in government and healthcare work.
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Re: THE Outsourcing Thread (merged)

Postby Keith_McClary » Sat 28 Jun 2014, 00:57:04

Ni hao, y'all: US hinterlands woo Chinese firms$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')INE HILL, Ala. (AP) — Burdened with Alabama's highest unemployment rate, long abandoned by textile mills and furniture plants, Wilcox County desperately needs jobs.

They're coming, and from a most unlikely place: Henan Province, China, 7,600 miles away.

Henan's Golden Dragon Precise Copper Tube Group opened a plant here last month. It will employ more than 300 in a county known less for job opportunities than for lakes filled with bass, pine forests rich with wild turkey and boar and muddy roads best negotiated in four-wheel-drive trucks.

"Jobs that pay $15 an hour are few and far between," says Dottie Gaston, an official in nearby Thomasville.

What's happening in Pine Hill is starting to happen across America.

After decades of siphoning jobs from the United States, China is creating some. Chinese companies invested a record $14 billion in the United States last year, according to the Rhodium Group research firm. Collectively, they employ more than 70,000 Americans, up from virtually none a decade ago.

Powerful forces — narrowing wage gaps, tumbling U.S. energy prices, the vagaries of currency markets — are pulling Chinese companies across the Pacific.
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