[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IanC', 'H')a, Ha, "Doomwarrior"!!! Ludi kicked your ass.

[Ludi]

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ ... pie-chart/

[dinopello]

Those who complain that this bill is a pittance of what is needed to remake infrastructure are correct. It's a very small baby step and includes a lot of stuff that is unrelated to job creation although you could argue the merits of those.

The WSJ thinks the bill pleases rail advocates, because instead of zeroing funding for rail as the Republicans wanted, it allocated 3 Billion. But 2 Trillion for rail alone is what is needed.

The problem is it gives the state DOTs decision authority. Most state DOTs are packed full of traffic engineers that only know how to make traffic.

The transportation reauthorization bill that will be moving through congress after this stimulus bill is where the real change in direction should be made as it sets funding for 5 years. There are groups working on that.

[AlexdeLarge]

Its pork. It will have no impact on the economy and send us further into the abyss.

Want to make a difference. Drop the Payroll Tax for the next three months. Drop capital gains tax completely. Lower corporate taxes to 15%. Reduce regulations across the board on everything. Reduce federal workforce by 10% and a freeze on all new hires. Reduces senate pay by 50%.

How about them apples!

[centralstump]

More "preserve the status quo" spending. Remember, all of this spending is on the assumption that our country will continue to grow effectively.

The basic assumption of this is wrong. Far ranging spending is not the right answer. Frugality is.

This would piss me off if I hadn't factored it into my decision before I decided to vote for Obama. I knew they would do this. Therefore, I bear some responsibility.


Apologies.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', ' ')Reduces senate pay by 50%.

[Plantagenet]

Now its come out that parts of the bill provide funds for illegal aliens.

What a great idea that is....borrow a trillion dollars from China to subsidize illegal aliens at a time when millions of Americans are losing their jobs.

[Stonemason]

Either no one on either "side" (in this left-right paradigm) thinks as they can't vote against their party. Or this sort of thing is made to make people think there is a difference between the two.

[vision-master]

Print mo moola.........


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his graph in a recent post by Pat (Inflation and our "funny money" supply) is startling in it's implications. Neither Republicans nor Democrats have done anything thing stop the devaluing of our currency since the 1970's. In fact, they all have been printing even more money and devaluing it even further. When will it stop? Will it stop? And if it doesn't stop? Where will it lead us?

Nowadays, the population of the United States is much larger. The majority of U.S. citizens live in cities. Only 2% of the population lives on farms anymore. The majority of Americans must buy their food at stores. Think what would happen if they could no longer do that?

I won't do any more quotes from the book, but it goes on to describe a situation where the cities are gripped with rioting and looting. The National Guard and the Army Reserve are called up to quell the rioting, but many of them don't report in, because they are staying home to protect their families.

Inner city areas are burned to the ground, and no one can stop it. Factories near cities close down "temporarily", but never open again. The Freeways that run through the cities become impassable, due to the riots, and due to fuel shortages, with people running out of gas and leaving their cars on the roads.

Most of the goods and fuel shipments in the US are transported on 18 wheel diesel trucks that use the interstate highway system. They all pass through cities. The cities become impassable, so the shipments of goods and fuel stop.

Trains pick up some of the slack, but not enough, and even they are vulnerable; mobs soon learn they can rip up the tracks to derail the trains, and loot them.

Without fuel shipments to power plants, the electrical grid begins to shut down. The few remaining factories that are operating are shut down by this, as well as the oil refineries that make our fuel. Even the refineries can't produce enough of their own electricity to keep operating, because they, like everyone else, always assumed they could count on the national power grid.

As the power grid shuts down from lack of fuel, so do the telephones, the internet, radio and TV stations. We are plunged back into the dark ages, literally. Our civil institutions and the rule of law break down completely.

[AlexdeLarge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'H')eres a BIG waste of money fer ya!

5.2 billion for acorn

[Ludi]

The ACORN Bogeyman!

[Quinny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '[')img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/15/business/economy/stimpackage.jpg[/img]

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ ... pie-chart/

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '[')img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/15/business/economy/stimpackage.jpg[/img]

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ ... pie-chart/

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '
')Which categories on the graph do the Republicans object to so much

[Quinny]

You lefties want to spend money on stuff like that - shame on you!

Next thing you know you'll be offering free condoms to stop teenage pregnancies.

Clean water - disgraceful!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '
')Which categories on the graph do the Republicans object to so much

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '
')Which categories on the graph do the Republicans object to so much

[gnm]

I'm against any more government spending seeing as how much they have squandered already.

But tell me Plant, were you for the first 800Bil that Georgie blew unaccounted into the banking hole? Or the 8.5 Tril that it ended up being if you add in all the various "loans" and purchases of crap securities?

-G

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I')'m against any more government spending seeing as how much they have squandered already.

But tell me Plant, were you for the first 800Bil that Georgie blew unaccounted into the banking hole?

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')f course not, gnm. The dems in COngress wrote that bill and loaded it up with so much pork that it never should've been passed.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')f course not, gnm. The dems in COngress wrote that bill and loaded it up with so much pork that it never should've been passed.