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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby vision-master » Fri 02 Jan 2009, 18:37:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')lthough I believe neither, the odds against aliens being the source of human life are much higher than it being God.

I believe evolution trumps both arguments though.


Aliens? They are US.

Evolution? It's called de-evolution my friend. We devolved until around the fall of the Roman Empire and have slowly been climbing back.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby outcast » Fri 02 Jan 2009, 20:57:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yippleflipple', 'i') like what uncarve_db_lock said, anything else out there like that? maybe link some sites?

visionmaster, im curious what your beliefs are, if you dont mind me asking.. i dont know where youre coming from at all. i like the five ages of man tho



His beliefs are a combination of new age mysticism and stargate style conspiracy theories.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby vision-master » Fri 02 Jan 2009, 23:56:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yippleflipple', 'i') like what uncarve_db_lock said, anything else out there like that? maybe link some sites?

visionmaster, im curious what your beliefs are, if you dont mind me asking.. i dont know where youre coming from at all. i like the five ages of man tho



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Not at all. Egyptian hieroglyphs go back to rule by the "Gods" 36,000 years ago. I go back to ancient myths and beliefs. Many myths talk of the "golden age" pre-ice age.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his object (shown in sketch) was found in 1898 in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt and was later dated as having been created near 200 BCE. As airplanes were unknown in the days when it was found, it was thrown into a box marked "wooden bird model" and then stored in the basement of the Cairo museum.

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby kakkerlak » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 11:22:36

At the end everything can be dumbed down to one single question. Everything else can be explained using physics, except for this one question;

How did the universe came into existence?
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby vision-master » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 11:25:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kakkerlak', 'A')t the end everything can be dumbed down to one single question. Everything else can be explained using physics, except for this one question;

How did the universe came into existence?


Physics? :razz:

Quit viewing time in linear fashion.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Ludi » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 13:26:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kakkerlak', 'A')t the end everything can be dumbed down to one single question. Everything else can be explained using physics, except for this one question;

How did the universe came into existence?


Theoretical physicists hypothesize a "physical" explanation for that one, too.

See vision-master's post above re: linear. :)
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby yippleflipple » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 15:37:06

if time is infinite, then wouldn't the universe have always been in existence? some kind of fundamental matter that has always been?

if time is finite then the universe came from nothing or God, which is essentially the same thing, i think... some kind of random quantum fluctuation in the void? dunno much about QM

More thoughts on how/why there is something instead of nothing?

another thought: the 'something' and the 'nothing' are co-dependent... they need each other to exist, or maybe not.. can the 'nothing' exist without the 'something'? surely, the something cannot exist without the void.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby vision-master » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 15:43:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yippleflipple', 'i')f time is infinite, then wouldn't the universe have always been in existence? some kind of fundamental matter that has always been?

if time is finite then the universe came from nothing or God, which is essentially the same thing. some kind of random quantum fluctuation in the void?

More thoughts on why there is something instead of nothing?


The Mayan TUN calendar goes back 16.4 billion years to the begining and ends in 2012.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hrough my own research I have come to the conclusion that the Mayan Calendar is actually conceived of on a much greater scale than a precessional cycle of some mere 26,000 years. It is in fact a calendar of the Cosmic Evolution Plan, a time schedule for all of Creation, and so, it goes back all the way to its beginning with the Big Bang about 15 billion years ago. In this perspective the precessional cycle of our particular earth dwindles and we may become aware that the Mayan Calendar is something of such a grand scale that, properly understood, it may serve to unify science and religion. This then also leads to a deep realization that we are fundamentally all one, and one with the Cosmic Intelligence.


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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Ludi » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 16:49:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yippleflipple', 'i')f time is infinite, then wouldn't the universe have always been in existence? some kind of fundamental matter that has always been?


The Universe as we know it may be only one of many spacetime continua. Perhaps time only exists in spacetime continua and not "Out There" which may be infinite or timeless.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Quinny » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 17:14:03

We used to discuss these issues when I was at Uni. It used to lead to very heated discussions sometimes going on for over 24 hours (whilst playing bridge). We never came to any conclusion and I lost days of sleep trying to come up with 'answers'. The only answer I did come up with was. Don't waste your time trying to find the answers to cosmic questions because there isn't one.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby vision-master » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 17:22:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')e used to discuss these issues when I was at Uni. It used to lead to very heated discussions sometimes going on for over 24 hours (whilst playing bridge). We never came to any conclusion and I lost days of sleep trying to come up with 'answers'. The only answer I did come up with was. Don't waste your time trying to find the answers to cosmic questions because there isn't one.


There are many answers. :razz:
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Quinny » Sat 03 Jan 2009, 17:31:10

Exactly the point I was making! :)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')e used to discuss these issues when I was at Uni. It used to lead to very heated discussions sometimes going on for over 24 hours (whilst playing bridge). We never came to any conclusion and I lost days of sleep trying to come up with 'answers'. The only answer I did come up with was. Don't waste your time trying to find the answers to cosmic questions because there isn't one.


There are many answers. :razz:
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Alcassin » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 18:30:22

Atheist, eco-centrist.

I don't believe in rationality of humans, I believe humans are rationalizing animals. Sadly, I don't believe in Reason, and I don't believe in human superiority.

Gods and any kinds of superior beings are just a part of "human superiority". Have you seen animals building churches and discussing theology?
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby kakkerlak » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 18:43:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'P')hysics? Razz

Quit viewing time in linear fashion.

Time & space have a beginning; the Big Bang.
From that point onwards everything has a logical explanation.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')heoretical physicists hypothesize a "physical" explanation for that one, too

As far as i know is science not able to look beyond our universe or the big bang.

The idea of (for example) a "Multi-verse" sounds very nice but it is impossible to proof or to show any evidence for its existence. The only thing you can do is belief or not belief, just like religion. A "Multi-verse" is an Atheist's wet dream.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')f time is infinite...

Time is not infinite. It has a beginning.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')here are many answers.

This is the easy/lazy way to avoid difficult questions.

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby coloncleanse » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 18:48:13

Everything is as it is but isn't as it was, and wasn't as it is.
It also sin't as it will be, and it will be as it isn't
And it is infinite without end but not infinite without begininning.
(At least in this dimension.
Every dimension has a start, but all have no end.

They are therefore infinite but only in the future.

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Alcassin » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 18:59:53

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')Time & space have a beginning; the Big Bang.
From that point onwards everything has a logical explanation.


Everything before that point is pure speculation.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby POAlex » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 23:26:48

"In the beginning God created..."

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby outcast » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 01:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '[')i]"In the beginning God created..."

Alex



Then what created god?
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Alcassin » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 05:39:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '[')i]"In the beginning God created..."

Alex



Then what created god?


Symbolic thinking of human mind.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Postby Fredrik » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 06:07:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '[')i]"In the beginning God created..."

Alex


Then what created god?


God, if he exists, is by definition uncreated and uncaused.

Whether the universe or the multiverse or quantum fluctuations are uncreated and uncaused, is still subject to debate.
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