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Postby criticalmass » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 11:44:12

I just lost mine and I figured why not see if others are losing theirs as well?
I'm guessing this will become more frequent in the coming months are our economy spirals out of control. In August I was ridiculed for predicting double-digit unemployment in the US by May. Not that I'm happy to add to that statistic, but I just did.
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Re: Jobb Loss Thread

Postby blukatzen » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 12:07:37

Sorry to hear of your job loss. What are your plans after the holidays? What industry are you in?

Don't forget the job board here in PeakOil.com, we may put that to work more often now. :(

Chin up!

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Re: Jobb Loss Thread

Postby emersonbiggins » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 12:15:23

I've lost my job (in architecture) last month, and there have been several dozen more layoffs across firms within the last month, about 300 by my count here in Dallas alone thus far. I'm just looking for the bottom, b/c the ongoing bleeding is only making things worse, from a jobs perspective. I've had a couple of interviews, but definitely nothing firm. Most architecture firms are throwing out January 1st as a date for the end of their hiring freezes, but I see nothing magical about that date.

Oh well, good luck with your job hunt! (definitely file for unemployment as well!)
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby criticalmass » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 15:59:20

There may be some Colorado front range people to network with on here.
I guess I'd be more excited for a new opportunity if the economy were better. That's why I posted, I wanted a bit of a pulse from other PO'ers on what they've experienced in thier localities.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby POAlex » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 22:06:46

Sorry to hear that CM. Hang in there.

Here, Nortel seems to be teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.

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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 03:53:55

Sorry to hear you are on the outs. I hope you find something better soon. I was talking to an ex-b/f today and foudn out the trucking company he worked for shut down. He said the bank pretty much took 15 or 16 trucks and closed them up.

Its weird how it can feel like you've just been dislocated (as if you were an apendage or something.)
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 05:29:23

So far I haven't seen much in the way of job loss up here. There is some scuttlebutt about Rig Shutdowns and a Hiring Freeze up on the Slope, but its just rumour at the moment. I have a friend who recently applied for a job up on the Slope, he is looking to make more money though he is currently employed. He told me he ill hear on Monday whether he has a job up there or not for the Winter Rig he applied for.

The only place I have heard of problems is in the Car Dealerships with some of the Salesmen who haven't been able to sell and make most of their income on Commission. Otherwise the Local Economy seems to be puttering along quite normally. About all the local economy however is driven by the money made up on the Slope and the Military. With Oil prices this low, its tough to imagine how they can maintain profitability in the rigs on the Slope, and if they start to shut down, the whole economy around here would collapse around it.

My guess would be however that the Oil Companies are currently flush enough to keep some rigs running and a skeleton force up there while the prices are low. A complete shutdown up there this year seems unlikely, but ya never know.

Meanwhile Road and Building construction went on as usual all through the summer months, and guys I know in the road biz are bidding on contracts for next year. None of the Banks up here have closed or been taken over by the FDIC as of yet.

My job for the moment seems secure. I am 1-2 levels down in the economy, I derive my income from the money made by parents on the slope or parents in the military or parents who work in the Tourist Industry, or from people who work to support any of those three industries. It won't be until after these folks start losing their jobs that my job goes in jeopardy.

I don't think the Military will abandon Alaska in the next year, so even if the Slope shuts down there still will be something going on here, but if the Slope slows down in any major way we will be hurting in every sector of the local economy. At the moment though, still no sign in the local economy that anything is wrong, other than the large number of For Sale signs that were up all summer on homes around here. Mostly these are second homes for people from the lower 48. Most of the For Sale signs are taken down now as nothing sells even in good times in the winter here. I would guess the Real Estate people are taking a beating, but I don't know anybody in this business up here.

Its going to be interesting how it develops when people here start losing jobs. Many I think will actually abandon Alaska thinking they can find something down in the Lower 48. Many people came here JUST because of high paying jobs on the Slope, if those are not available they won't want to stay in this climate. Most of my friends though won't leave, they are long term Alaskans. If more people leave, that is good. It leaves more Moose and more Salmon for those of us who stay.

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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Nefarious » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 12:45:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', ' ')"The situation is bleak at this time!"

Didn't have to be
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')he was offered a transfer to follow it, but declined,
who wants to live in Kansas City, MO.?

Someone who wants to stay employed while unemployment continues to rise .....maybe?
You didn't state that it was uneconomical to move only that you didn't want to. I am going on that pretext alone.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Ludi » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:13:02

There's a great deal to be said for staying put where you are comfortable and have family. Personally, I would also put that ahead of moving to a new location for a job. Who knows how secure the new job would be? Probably not very secure these days.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Nefarious » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:16:21

I can respect the decision you made now that you provided more information. Before it sounded more like just you didn't want to move.
Best of luck in finding a new job and hope things improve for you. Family is important and can be a rock to lean against in times of necessity.
I made my decision years ago and moved away from the family following my job. I see them once in every 4 or 5 years. It's ok for me, it suits my disposition.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:18:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')omeone who wants to stay employed while unemployment continues to rise .....maybe? You didn't state that it was uneconomical to move only that you didn't want to. I am going on that pretext alone.

Had they moved, how do you know she wouldn't have gotten laid off after relocating?

Are we to all become nomads, migrant workers, Oakies.. forever transfering, relocating, shuffling from town to town lookin for work? Is that the American Dream, then?
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Nefarious » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:33:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'A')re we to all become nomads, migrant workers, Oakies.. forever transfering, relocating, shuffling from town to town lookin for work?

Compared to what? Staying in one location where there is no work at all. You do what you have to do in order to survive the situation you're in at present.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s that the American Dream, then?

There isn't any American Dream there is only the American Dellusion of what used to be a dream.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:35:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ompared to what? Staying in one location where there is no work at all. You do what you have to do in order to survive the situation you're in at present.

My point is that the economy can very well go bust in the new location, and then you find yourself alone there with *no* extended family network.

Granted, in the past it has been wise for folks to get the heck out of states like Michigan, Ohio, etc., and just never look back. But we're approaching a stage where there will be no boom state to move to. Look at Las Vegas.. once the mecca for jobs, now you have people begging to work at burger joints.

Probably some better advice for unemployed is give it some time.. if the industry you've always worked in remains difficult, you may have to bite the bullet and change to a field like healthcare.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby vision-master » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:55:17

Normally by this time of year I get happy letters from my pension plans with good news on COLA increases for the comming year. This year, nothing. The Public (City Plan) is going to merge with the State plan in order to stay solvent. That's the only news I've heard so far.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Nefarious » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:57:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y point is that the economy can very well go bust in the new location, and then you find yourself alone there with *no* extended family network.

What do you do when one day you are going out to ask for help from the extended family network and you bump in to them on their way to your house to ask you for help?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ranted, in the past it has been wise for folks to get the heck out of states like Michigan, Ohio, etc., and just never look back. But we're approaching a stage where there will be no boom state to move to. Look at Las Vegas.. once the mecca for jobs, now you have people begging to work at burger joints.

Then it should still hold to reason leave for somewhere where you can find work while you can. Even if it is to put off the inevitable for just a tad bit longer.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')robably some better advice for unemployed is give it some time.. if the industry you've always worked in remains difficult, you may have to bite the bullet and change to a field like healthcare.

How much time do you suggest? Until one is completely penniless and no longer has the means to relocate?
Change in fields? No job, No income, No way to support a family and you suggest just up and change fields. That usually requires schooling or training. How do you support a family in a declining job market by starting school to get trained for another field? Not to mention the people that are already trained in that field looking for work. What does your family live on while you are in school?
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby vision-master » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 13:58:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')here's a great deal to be said for staying put where you are comfortable and have family. Personally, I would also put that ahead of moving to a new location for a job. Who knows how secure the new job would be? Probably not very secure these days.
That is exactly one of our concerns, how stable will the new job be after spending money to relocate? You move there, and six months later you are back on the street again, in a strange place with no one you know, no one who gives a rats behind about you. At least here we have a HUGE amount of family, whom have been here their entire lives, and who care about us.
I cannot see moving away from here for that reason alone.

When in survival mode - stay put, build a fire, hunker down and wait for the weather to clear. The last thing you want to do is try walk out to safety. :razz:
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby Ludi » Sun 21 Dec 2008, 14:08:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'W')hat do you do when one day you are going out to ask for help from the extended family network and you bump in to them on their way to your house to ask you for help?

Let's hope folks communicate a little better than that with their family members! :razz:
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby criticalmass » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 15:03:35

Coincidently, I'm looking at relocating to a pretty good growing locale with friends and family nearby and trying to change careers completely. I just can see sitting in a large city where I hardly know anyone while "Rome" burns and I've got nowhere else to turn. There's strength in numbers, but it's no good to be on the wrong end.
This whole thing could end up being what saves myself and my fiance.
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby emeraldg40 » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 21:22:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')omeone who wants to stay employed while unemployment continues to rise .....maybe? You didn't state that it was uneconomical to move only that you didn't want to. I am going on that pretext alone.

Had they moved, how do you know she wouldn't have gotten laid off after relocating?

Are we to all become nomads, migrant workers, Oakies.. forever transfering, relocating, shuffling from town to town lookin for work? Is that the American Dream, then?


If you are going to use the term Okies.......Its not about oak trees
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Re: Job Loss Thread

Postby criticalmass » Mon 19 Jan 2009, 13:10:34

Not looking so good out here. Not unless you want to sell on straight comission and cold-call all day long. Sales is about the only job title out there en-masse right now. That and nurses.
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