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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 01:55:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I')'m getting this paranoid feeling that 90% of everything written about the rich are written by people who are writing from their own personal biases rather than first hand knowledge. 8)
90% of everything written on politics/ideology here is written by people who are writing from their own personal biases rather than first hand knowledge.

That would be true of everything ever written anywhere. What percentage of books are autobiographical? I've know a few from that class, some of them I actually liked, but that is irrelevant as far as the analysis goes.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 07:52:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'Y')ou seem to agree that many females were to large extend involved and profited from sex trade.
In respect of whore unions from ancient era it is best to look on Greece perhaps.
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For Mother Nature all the peoples, good, bad and ugly are equal but those ugly are perhaps more equal...
So watch carefully a theater near you.
Great show is coming.

It is one thing to realize that the coming storm will force many into moral and ethical choices they would otherwise avoid, it is yet another to appear to WELCOME the arrival of such things as a "Great Show".

Its not the AWARENESS of it that makes your attitude so disgusting EU, its that your attitude is one not only of acquiesence to this, but the tacit implication that you would participate in such depravity, as perhaps the Warden of a Debt Prison forcing the prisoners to Eat Cockroaches. Or perhaps run your own Prostitution ring, and issue the Pedigrees yourself?

Its not that its gonna happen so much as what YOUR particular choices would be? Would you FIGHT this devolution into depravity, or would you not only acquiesce to it but actively ENGAGE in such behavior to insure your own survival? If you would, then isn't that moral SH*T much more foul than Seal Sh*t mixed with Blubber?

It comes down to a question of how you value human life. I personally value my own life enough that if I could make it through a tough time in the winter without much food, I might mix some Seal Sh*t with blubber. Hopefully next year's fishing is better and I don't have to do that next winter, you live with such hopes of course that times will get better.

You on the other hand seem to revel in the suffering and the exploitation of OTHERS as a means to survival. You have not renounced this as something you would NOT do to survive, so I ask you now here explictly, if it came down to trading in human flesh and selling Polish girls to Turks, would you do that as a means to insure your survival? Are you a Janisserie in the making?

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 08:51:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'T')his "show" isn't a movie. Nobody gets a "bye" as an observer. You only have the choice on which side of the line you will stand. You either fight with Tom Joad, or you fight with Hitler. Those are the choices.

False. I would allow Tom Joad fight with a Hitler and help myself meantime. That attitude have worked well for me during communism collapse.

I was not supporting commies nor anti-commies. I was entirely impartial to that struggle and yet I was doing very well.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are digging yourself a DEEP hole here EU. That particular line bespeaks of misogyny of great depth, and is unforgivable. You will pay the price for it sooner than you think.
Close the coffin. You are now DEAD. Wait for it.

Too dramatic and useless to comment upon further.
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Banks of the Illuminati on the Skids

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 21 Jan 2009, 04:47:17

Ask not for Whom the Bell Tolls, it tolls for the Big Banks.

We have been watching as banking institutions fail here in cascade fashion, but its taken a good while for the biggest of the big to begin admitting to the depth of their losses. Now banks like State Street and Mellon, who basically handle the money of the Piggiest of Pigmen are finally publishing their losses, which they must if they hope to get Transfusions from TARP to keep pumping the lifeblood of money through their greedy veins.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ustody banks like State Street keep records, track performance and lend securities to institutional investors including mutual funds, pensions and hedge funds. The State Street Global Advisors investment unit manages mutual funds and accounts for institutions and wealthy individuals.


Bloomberg

Nouriel Roubini has estimated that actual liabilities for the biggest banks is in the $3T Range on assets amounting to perhaps $1T, the difference of $2T far beyond what has been "appropriated" for TARP or what remains in it, around $350B. Some of the more abstract instruments are turning the balance sheets of these mega banks into swiss cheese at the moment. "Conduits" which are run off balance sheet are one of these assets.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')et income fell 71 percent in the quarter from a year earlier, State Street said, as the worst financial markets since the Great Depression reduced the client assets on which State Street charges investment and custody fees. Consolidated tangible common equity, a measure of a company’s ability to absorb financial shocks, fell to 1.05 percent, including off- balance-sheet conduits.

“We believe there will be increased pressure on the company to raise common equity in the near future to maintain its credit ratings,” Gerard Cassidy, an analyst with RBC Capital Markets in Portland, Maine, wrote in a research note today. A common equity ratio below 2 percent is “something investors frown upon,” he said in an interview.


Now, these banks are loath to try to raise capital through equity sales because of course it dilutes the value of shares currently extant in the market. However, the talk is of the need for a "Capital Infusion", and the only way you get money is to sell SOMETHING, and of course all banks have to sell is paper. Even if they did profer new shares on the market, who has money to buy those shares, and who in their right mind would buy the worthless paper of a clearly failing institution?

Besides State Street and Mellon, the Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutche Bank ALSO have published huge losses, and Nationalization is imminent for these historical institutions which have their roots in the very beginning of the banking system which emerged during the Enlightenment in the 1600s. For those of you interested in just how this house fo cards got built up, besides reading up on the Rothschilds I suggest reading up on the House of Medici, along with their ties to the Catholic Church. Most of this stuff actually had its birth in Venice and then Florence, and the mathematicians who jumped into the act thereafter were mostly English and Germans following in the footsteps of the Calculus developed independently by Newton and Leibnitz respectively.

Anyhow, history aside for a moment, about all the Core Banks that have their earliest roots in the beginnings of the banking system are fundamentally insolvent now. These are supra-national institutions that have been managing the wealth of the world concentrated into the ownership of just a few families for around 400 years. For the fans of the Illuminati and their aspirations for World Domination, this is NOT good news. To put it fairly simply, on the books by their own systems of accounting, the Rothschilds are DEAD BROKE. Deeper in the hole than any McMansion owner could ever aspire to be really.

Now, the Brits are Printing Money to try to balance the books of the RBoS, the Germans are Printing Money to try to balance the books of Deutche Bank, and we are printing money to balance the Bank of Mellon. Print all you want, you cannot do anything but bring all accounts to Zero, after that you simply make worthless paper and have hyperinflation. Its not a solution to the bankruptcy of the system as a whole.

It might not be obvious to some of you, but to me I see in the news that these banks have declared their losses and fundamental insolvency the Final Straw here. A few Pigmen here and there are offing themselves, but this is just nothing compared to what happens when banks like the RBoS and Deutch Bank and Mellon go under and get Nationalized. Basically, 400 years of theft of wealth has VANISHED from the books here, the Rothschilds are as broke as everyone else as a result of that. Live by the Accounting sheet, Die by the Accounting sheet, so to speak.

The money of Rene Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, which had its beginning in the time of the French Revolution all was lost in the Madoof Ponzi scheme, but of course this is just the Tip of the Iceberg here, the whole damn structure is a Ponzi scheme. You can see it now as even the biggest banks harboring the Old Money are ALL on the skids here. The money is all burning up now in the Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in all of Recorded History.

Helicopter Ben and his successor Timothy Geithner can run the priniting presses at the Fed 24/7, Treasury and the Fed can run new Kiting schemes to borrow and lend money to themselves from now till the cows come home but it cannot perform the physically impossible task of creating Something from Nothing. The monetary system is TOAST.

Interestingly, its those at the top of the food chain here who are being hit hardest and hit first as their wealth literally goes up in smoke. As each institution which harbors the "money" fails or is Nationalized, any value these people once had just disappears off the face of the earth. Even though most of them could probably salvage a few million to set up a nice Doomstead, this doesn't even cross their minds because what they are living with here is the total loss of POWER, even more than money. This underlies the reasoning behind the suicides.

I am most interested now in 2 things. Number one is just how long it takes for monetary system collapse to knock down the consumer economy of food. Number two is just how the Goobermint tries to replace the defunct monetary system with a new one, and HTF they will get anyone to trust said system. These two fundamental timeline questions are what in my mind will play out over the next 6 months to 10 years, I just cannot put a finger on how long this takes to run its course. I *think* that we will see significant dislocation by this summer, enough to cause Rioting in some of our major cities, but I am by no means sure of this. Money is a vapor that depends on Belief, and for the most part people still believe in Money. Its not working now though up at the top, the credit market is trashed and international trade is at a virtual standstill, so it just has to work its way down here soon enough. The Pigmen at the top are watching the wealth of generations vanish into thin air, and so they are offing themselves at a phenomenal pace here, but for J6P he still thinks its just a Recession. He still believes in the money showing up in his paycheck if he still has a job. Not for long though, you have to figure if the Pigmen think its bad enough to off themselves, its gonna hit J6P pretty soon here.
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Re: Banks of the Illuminati on the Skids

Unread postby mefistofeles » Wed 21 Jan 2009, 09:27:33

As I've said before the short term solution is very obvious, nationalization. Nationalization is really the only way these banks can survive and become monetary conduits.

The long term result is probably inflation with some economies affected more than others.

Historically I don't know of a single government that failed because it didn't print enough money. I could be wrong but nobody has collapsed from failing to debase their currency.
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Re: Banks of the Illuminati on the Skids

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 21 Jan 2009, 09:47:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '
')Historically I don't know of a single government that failed because it didn't print enough money. I could be wrong but nobody has collapsed from failing to debase their currency.


That was always the plan for the GOP - loot the Treasury and outrun the debt by pushing the dollar off a cliff.

Of course to make life with a devalued dollar livable they had to find a country they could invade to get free oil, and that was Iraq.
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Re: Banks of the Illuminati on the Skids

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 21 Jan 2009, 10:11:31

I heard the Bush's are of royal blood and are part of the Illuminati. Also, I'm sure Obama has been brought into the 'fold' as an outsider to try smooth things over.

Bush Senior - NWO

Maybe all this 2012 stuff will have some meaning after all. The Illumminati use 'the looking glass' and channeling all the time. The book of life is empty after 2012. FACT!
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Re: Banks of the Illuminati on the Skids

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 21 Jan 2009, 14:36:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') heard the Bush's are of royal blood and are part of the Illuminati. Also, I'm sure Obama has been brought into the 'fold' as an outsider to try smooth things over.


The Bushes claim to be descended from the House of Plantagenet in Scotland, who claim to be descended from the royalty in the House of Judea. A princess or someone actually moved to Scotland and mixed with their Plantagenet bloodline.

It's a little nonsensical to me. I, like most whose family came from Britain, can trace their family back to royalty at some point.

edit: Here is Bush's ancestry to Edward I Plantagenet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')dward I Plantagenet, Joan of Acre,
Margaret De Clare, Amy
De Gaviston, Alice De Driby,
Margaret Mallory, Mary Corbet,
Richard Charlton, Anne Charlton,
Elizabeth Grosvenor, Edward
Bulkeley, Peter Bulkeley, Edward
Bulkeley, Peter-2- Bulkeley,
Rebecca Bulkeley, Abel Prescott,
Lucy Prescott, Samuel Prescott
Philips Fay, Samuel Howard
Fay, Harriet Eleanor Fay, Samuel
Prescott Bush, Prescott Sheldon
Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush.
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Re: Banks of the Illuminati on the Skids

Unread postby davep » Wed 21 Jan 2009, 14:41:26

I've posted this elsewhere, but it deserves an airing here: Read it and chuckle:

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Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 14 May 2009, 10:12:23

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =104107549
They get the beginning correct when NPR says: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut while the real Illuminati were indeed a secretive order, they were in no way violent, says University of Oregon historian Ian McNeely. "Their aim was to reform society peaceably," McNeely says. The group was formed in Bavaria by a church historian, Adam Weishaupt, in 1776.


But then it starts to fall apart when they bring up the paranoid conspiracy theorists. I think today what people refer to when they use the term "The Illuminati" is really "The Powers That Be". The huge omission on NPR's part in this article is the failure to mention that Illuminati of the 18th century were the first modern Globalists who promoted one world government. All current members of TPTB and current Globalists can trace their political and philosophical ideas back to the Illuminati. Ian McNeely himself is a Globalist, if you look at the classes he teaches at Oregon.

David Rothkopf is author of the book Superclass and "a former managing director of Kissinger Associates and an international trade official in the Clinton Administration". He states that 2000 CEOs of the world's biggest 2000 corporations are responsible for making decisions which greatly affect the lives of a half-billion people around the world, and then influence the lives of several more billion people around the world who do business with those corporations. The CEOs report to shareholders, of which up to 50% of them are actually represented by hedge funds. He states that 300 hedge funds account for 85% of all hedge fund activity. So a very small number of hedge fund managers exert a huge amount of control over the lives of almost half the population on this planet. There are other examples as well, like the Queen of England owning almost half of Canada and whatnot.

This is a very interesting video of Rothkopf speaking about his book Superclass and "the people who rule the world" (his words).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHtNFZ6K0pE

So there is a class of about 6000 people who rule the world, according to Rothkopf. It's not a paranoid conspiracy theory.
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 14 May 2009, 10:40:39

What most people don't realize about economics is that the size of the base of the pyramid is what matters to the people at the top of the pyramid.

Growing the population by restricting birth control and abortion and supporting immigration is great, because it increases the base of peasants you can skim profits off of. That is why Eastern Europe was more despotic than Western Europe after the Black Plague because the labor supply was much smaller in Western Europe after that because East Europe like Russia didn't get hit as hard.

Globalism is really the ultimate way to expand the pyramid. That is why the larger the base of the pyramid, the more gigantic the wealth at the top is. That is why we have gone from millionaires to billionaires to multi-billionaires at the top.

The ultrarich mostly supporting the same agenda does not represent a conspiracy. People with similar concerns coming separately to same solutions is convergence not conspiracy.
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 14 May 2009, 10:52:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'T')he ultrarich mostly supporting the same agenda does not represent a conspiracy. People with similar concerns coming separately to same solutions is convergence not conspiracy.


I agree. That is also what Rothkopf discusses in that video I posted.
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby waegari » Thu 14 May 2009, 11:16:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', ' ')I think today what people refer to when they use the term "The Illuminati" is really "The Powers That Be".



If only it were that simple.
There's quite a number of Illuminati-believers with strong antisemitic overtones.
Just do a Google search for 'illuminati jews' and see what you find, for instance this thread from the neonazi forum Stormfront:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=593210

Here's one typical quote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Not all Jews are the Illuminati, but many of the Illuminati are Jews. When you investigate who these people are, holding positions of great power in many Western countries, it starts to read like a Bar Mitzvah guest list. Gentiles can't get off completely in this, since some work for or with these Illuminati Jews. Always look for people behind the scenes. They never put up Jewish presidents or prime ministers. They are generally puppets anyways. Look at the most powerful lobby groups too. Jews are very wealthy and very well networked, which allows them to get their way. Unfortunately, their "way" is not our way.


Especially at times like these (and who knows what it is to come) the danger of spreading antisemitism (about 'rapacious jews' etcetera) should not be underestimated.
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby ian807 » Thu 14 May 2009, 11:35:12

I believe you meant "The Illuminutty" :-D :-D
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 14 May 2009, 11:38:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', 'I')f only it were that simple.
There's quite a number of Illuminati-believers with strong antisemitic overtones.
Just do a Google search for 'illuminati jews' and see what you find, for instance this thread from the neonazi forum Stormfront:


I am not a racist and I reject any racist theories or ideas. There is a sizable swath of racists in society who believe that Jewish people rule the world and whatnot. I think that blaming one group for the world's problems is the height of ignorance.

The idea that you bring up (racism against Jews who are perceived to rule the world via the Illuminati) is far removed from the idea of the NPR article though, which is to debunk the usage of the Illuminati in the movie Angels and Demons. I was highlighting that there actually is a group of about 6000 intertwined people who "rule the world", as described by David Rothkopf, who worked directly under/with Kissinger.
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby waegari » Thu 14 May 2009, 11:55:57

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I am not a racist and I reject any racist theories or ideas. .


You should read what I say.
I was not saying that you're a racist.
I wasn't even talking about you.

I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 14 May 2009, 12:03:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
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I am not a racist and I reject any racist theories or ideas. .


You should read what I say.
I was not saying that you're a racist.
I wasn't even talking about you.

I'll leave it at that.


I understand and knew that. I was adding perspective and clarification though. Conversations like this have a tendency to devolve into Bigfoot, the Chupacabra and the Jewish conspiracy pretty quick.
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 14 May 2009, 12:31:34

The only thing i have to say about Jews is that they tend to be very funny. The list of comedians is really impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_comedians

Out of 6 billion humans, the "powers that be" include how may? 100?
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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 14 May 2009, 12:36:15

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he New World Order as envisioned by the Elite is hardly a recent undertaking. Theirs is a philosophy rooted in ancient occult traditions. Success is near, and the infiltration of society by New Age occultism is the reason for this success. The New World Order has never been solely about world government, rather, from the beginning its proponents have been privy to secret doctrines and it is a spiritual plan more than anything.

If one failed to take into account the occult nature of the New World Order, they would be remiss. The UN and the New Age have been bed-fellows since the beginning. America's secret destiny is the product of Rosicrucian and Freemason forefathers. The New Atlantis as proposed in Francis Bacon's work is almost at hand. The Ancient Mysteries are being studied for illumination and enlightenment by the New World Order's elite. Not to mention the New Age gurus — dutifully recruiting on behalf of the Secret Brotherhood.

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Re: Interesting NPR piece on the Illuminati

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 14 May 2009, 12:37:27

Its kind of stupid to hate Jews simply because a select handful of the elite are Jewish. There are actually, believe it or not, unemployed Jews and homeless Jews.
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

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