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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 20:12:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'A')nyhow, I did not deal this hand, the Pigmen did with Bretton Woods and before that with the Fed and before that with Alexander Hamilton and before that with the Rothschilds. Its about TIME it came to an end, don't you think?

But it never will come to an end. There will always be someone who has more riches than you, RE, even if instead of US Dollars you're talking about some other measure of value like acres of doomstead land or pelts or freezers of deer meat. Don't get absorbed in envy.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 20:14:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')he Illuminati will fall like the Tower of Babel.
See photo Vision_Master's post


Read my thread from October 2008 Collapse of an Economic Tower of Babel

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 20:25:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'B')ut it never will come to an end. There will always be someone who has more riches than you, RE, even if instead of US Dollars you're talking about some other measure of value like acres of doomstead land or pelts or freezers of deer meat. Don't get absorbed in envy.

I'm not jealous Mos, I am vindictive :-) I could have gone this route myself you know, had numerous opportunities along the way to do so. I am just enjoying the fact that these folks are ALREADY suffering mightily, as those they have enthralled for generations have suffered before them. And they will in fact suffer even more as they Burn in Everlasting Torment in the Fires of Hell.

As for me, I live well enough, always have. Making my daily bread with what I know how to do, with my brain and my own two hands. My riches come from what I hold in my head, which nobody ever can take away from me, no Stock Market crash could ever touch it. How long I have left to walk the Earth really doesn't matter, I was gifted all these years to do what I love doing and make a good living off of it helping the children.

Jealousy? No, not guilty of that one. Vindictiveness? I plead Guilty.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 20:55:13

I have a Ph.D. in business and I never ever thought I would make the following statement, but I do.

This is all the result of compound interest.

If you have ever watched Money as Debt it is all explained there in great detail. Where the current bailouts are going wrong, if you can get past the whole idea of a bailout ever being "right" is that they are not destroying the excess debt in the system, they are only trying to paper over it with even more debt and by moving it around.

Thanks to compound interest, there is always more money owed than there is money to pay with, thus you have both perpetual debt and ever increasing debt.

How a society would function without interest I don't know, but we've seen how one functions with interest. Every 70 years or so you need a reset.

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 21:02:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'H')ow a society would function without interest I don't know,

The majority of human societies functioned without interest.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 22:12:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'H')ow a society would function without interest I don't know,
The majority of human societies functioned without interest.

The vast majority of human societies weren't very nice living in. As a matter of fact, in most of them life was nasty, brutish and short.
We can thank compound interest, exponential growth, modern technology and fossil fuels for our society not being among the majority.

PS: As this is an illuminati/NWO thread...
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby bodigami » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 22:19:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '(')...) Can you imagine? A fortune that managed to survive the French Revolution and numerous financial panics and depressions since the 1700s all finally LOST by this heir to the fortune? No wonder he put a Bullet through his Brain. (...)

actually it was slashing his wrists:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ene-Thierry, 65, was found dead at his desk in the New York office of Access International Advisors on Tuesday, both of his wrists slashed. A box cutter and a bottle of sleeping pills lay nearby. Police say it was a suicide.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 22:25:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'H')ow a society would function without interest I don't know,
The majority of human societies functioned without interest.
The vast majority of human societies weren't very nice living in. As a matter of fact, in most of them life was nasty, brutish and short. We can thank compound interest, exponential growth, modern technology and fossil fuels for our society not being among the majority.

How do you know whether it was worse living as a Comanche or as an Pakistani Child in a Capitalist clothing factory? Did you live either life? Was it worse living as a Somali under Capitalism or as a Somali tribesman before Capitalism?

Your viewpoint is thoroughly ethnocentric and in no way takes into account that your life and your wealth has come at the expense of both the earth and other countries made subservient through the manipulation of the capitalist system.

Lucky you, born in Sweden, eh? Enjoying all the fruits of capitalism that come on the backs of children enslaved in countries far enough away you never have to see the pain and desperation. You will see it soon though, coming to a Theatre Near You in Stockholm, as it has come to Iceland already.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby bodigami » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 22:27:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '(')...)
You really think diversification as a strategy will help you here? You think its all just because some people stupidly invested with Bernie? The whole ball of wax we call Capitalism is a Ponzi scheme in the midst of a Cascade Failure of EPIC proportions. It was predicted by Karl Marx and Friederich Engels, and they are being proven RIGHT as we speak. These two men win HANDS DOWN the Bold Predictions thread on Peak Oil, to be awarded Posthumously of course.

To my mind, Bernie Madoff is the first Hero of the Revolution. Possibly nobody else in history took down so many big hitters all by his lonesome. Talk about JUSTICE. Talk about SWEET REVENGE. I waited 50 years to see this, and now it comes to pass, without even the need for the Guillotine. The Rich will off themselves or cannibalize each other in this end game. I can walk into the Great Beyond a Happy Man now.

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The process is not finished. There is a point when personal wealth is so huge as to be disgusting, inmoral, insane, etc... maybe $10 or 100 million... it doesn't matter after some point, it's too much wealth for 1 single person. But there are still too many with this much money... the guillotine may still be used.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 26 Dec 2008, 23:46:49

RE,

The guy was only worth 1.4 billion, that's not real money, that's small fries. A peon compared to Rothschild, but we've been through this before. I too would prefer a post-peak world without supranational centralized policy, but hundreds of years of business tradition does not change on a dime. You act as though this economic collapse was unforeseen by real money, when history proves they design these things for greater profit, consolidation, and clawback of advancements in the public domain. Economic imperialism is not complicated at all, the intelligent mind is actually repelled by its simplicity.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 03:25:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'R')E,

The guy was only worth 1.4 billion, that's not real money, that's small fries. A peon compared to Rothschild, but we've been through this before. I too would prefer a post-peak world without supranational centralized policy, but hundreds of years of business tradition does not change on a dime. You act as though this economic collapse was unforeseen by real money, when history proves they design these things for greater profit, consolidation, and clawback of advancements in the public domain. Economic imperialism is not complicated at all, the intelligent mind is actually repelled by its simplicity.


Chump change, agreed.

Nevertheless, the foundation of the system is undermined, and you can observe first off that the biggest players are engaged in economic cannibalism, as even historical players like Lehman and Merrill got sucked up. The fire you see burning now is just the fuse, it doesn't go Thermonuclear until the CDS market gets touched off.

You can also see it in the Panic in the eyes of Paulson when he testifies. Big money is really quite without a clue here as to where to go or how to prpeserve the structure sufficiently to maintain the wealth. The Gold in the basements doesn't do the trick this time.

So, it is not about money, but about Power, who will take it and who can hold it in the absence of money to bribe and money to buy assassins. No doubt, our friends the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers sit in high places and are trying to pull the strings, but they are running out of tricks here this time.

Put it this way. Its one thing to drop a conventional bomb on an economy and still control enough to rebuild it. It is yet another thing to set off a worldwide series of Thermonuclear bombs on everybody and have anything at all left to control.

It is simple. Its Hubris. It worked so many times before those who ran the shell game figured it would work in perpetuity. But it doesn't. Not once there is no new continent left to exploit and no boundless supply of fossil fuels left anywhere. It just ran out of gas.

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby Golgo13 » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 03:39:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'Y')ou really think diversification as a strategy will help you here?


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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 05:03:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')I imagine she's still a very wealthy woman.


You are letting your imagination run away with you SS.

I identify this characteristic now here in many of the posters. Its the "Rich will always be Rich, its the nature of the world" psychology. It essentially provides a sense of stability, particularly if you have some of your OWN savings and some Wealth you managed to put together through your life. You want to believe you can hold onto it.

It simply boggles the mind to imagine someone like Lilliane Bettencourt being left absolutely DESTITUTE, and she propably isn't. YET.

How close Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet was to being 100% destitute we will probably never know, but remeber this: In order to be constantly generating a return on investment, capital is always leveraged to some extent. So if someone is on paper worth $1B, chances are he has liabilities also one the order of $100M or more, depending how seriously he leverages the capital, how much risk he will take. So when you go Broke, you don't just owe the Credit Card company $1000, you go out owing $100 MILLION. He could NEVER pay it off.

Lilliane Bettencourt is in a similar situation. You don't know for sure how much this damaged her total wealth, but neither do you know exactly what her liabilities are or how the rest of her money is invested. What you DO know for sure is that ALL asset classes are losing value in this deflation, and so the more you are worth and the more you are leveraged, the more money you are left owing when your investments go Belly Up.

Because of Bankruptcy Laws and Incorporation, you can protect yourself to an extent by only keeping a small portion of your wealth under private ownership by yourself, and when you go Bankrupt you maybe keep one car and your Primary residence. Which might be OK for Lilliane Bettnecourt you would think, she keeps the Bentley and the Chateau. But remember, she now has no source of income to pay the repair bills ont he Bentley or the Chauffer, and she can't pay the Taxes on the Chateau. Unless she can unload Chateau to some OTHER filthy rich person for pennies on the dollar, she will lose it for Back Taxes in a year or two. How good do you think the Chateau Real Estate Market is right now?

Best Case Scenario, said Filthy Rich Pigman who might have been worth $1B yesterday escapes with a few million and buys himself a Doomstead somewhere, for you or me this might be considered a Dream Come True, eh? However, said Pigman has no clue at all how to farm, no clue at all how to live out in the Wilderness, and no money left either to protect the property he bought with his salvaged millions.

The Pigmen are left to the same thing you and I are, they have to depend on their Friends and Relatives who still might have some money left to help them out. With the problem being that Pigmen don't HAVE real friends, they only have friends they BOUGHT. The minute they lose their money, they fall out of the class and nobody CARES about them anymore. They are INVISIBLE. THAT is why they commit Suicide when they lose all their money. Its how they define themselves and how they are defined by their community, in which they no longer fit. They are BEGGARS of their "friends". Pathetic LOSERS to be despised, because every other Pigman doesn't want to see that, because it can happen to them too.

Don't let your imagination run away with you SS. Just watch the news with me, and you will see what I see already in just a short time. Its ALL fictitious. Its ALL burning up in the Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in all of Recorded History. In no time at all really, it won't just be Raining Illuminati, it will be a DELUGE of them. Strip off your clothes and come out with me and play in the rain :-)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Weather Girls', '
')Humidity is rising - Barometer's getting low
According to all sources, Wall Street's the place to go
Cause tonight for the first time
Just about half-past ten
For the first time in history
It's gonna start raining Pigmen.

It's Raining PigMen! Hallelujah! - It's Raining PigMen! Amen!
I'm gonna go out to run and let myself get
Absolutely soaking wet!
It's Raining PigMen! Hallelujah!


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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 05:22:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')You can also see it in the Panic in the eyes of Paulson when he testifies.


That's called acting. The panic and stuttering mean he doesn't do it well, not much different than Bush. They're only incompetent as actors, not as politicians. Can't fake it all the time either:

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he fire you see burning now is just the fuse, it doesn't go Thermonuclear until the CDS market gets touched off.

Put it this way. Its one thing to drop a conventional bomb on an economy and still control enough to rebuild it. It is yet another thing to set off a worldwide series of Thermonuclear bombs on everybody and have anything at all left to control.


CDS is a contract between two parties, not between one and a black hole as the media spins it. Linking an msm article to one random token benefactor doesn't mean much to me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is simple. Its Hubris. It worked so many times before those who ran the shell game figured it would work in perpetuity. But it doesn't. Not once there is no new continent left to exploit and no boundless supply of fossil fuels left anywhere. It just ran out of gas.


Timing a global economic depression at the precipice of resource limits and depletion is a very smart preemptive move. You see chaos, I see good business.

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 05:41:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', ' ') You see chaos, I see good business.

Contemporary mythology annihilates Reality.


We can argue the point until the net goes offline Jupiter, and we will never resolve it. Neither will either of us be alive to see how it finally plays itself out. I do however enjoy and appreciate your perspective and belief that the Illuminati have this all under control, its a great jumping off point for me in my posting.

Who is right here? None of us will ever know the answer to that one until we meet again in the Great Beyond.

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 06:23:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou see chaos, I see good business.


Uhm, what does that mean? You think American style Reaganomic capitalism is workin out just swell?
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 06:32:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', ' ') You see chaos, I see good business.

Contemporary mythology annihilates Reality.


We can argue the point until the net goes offline Jupiter, and we will never resolve it. Neither will either of us be alive to see how it finally plays itself out. I do however enjoy and appreciate your perspective and belief that the Illuminati have this all under control, its a great jumping off point for me in my posting.

Who is right here? None of us will ever know the answer to that one until we meet again in the Great Beyond.

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 06:34:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou see chaos, I see good business.


Uhm, what does that mean? You think American style Reaganomic capitalism is workin out just swell?


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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 07:19:28

ReverseEngineer wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are letting your imagination run away with you SS.

I identify this characteristic now here in many of the posters. Its the "Rich will always be Rich, its the nature of the world" psychology. It essentially provides a sense of stability, particularly if you have some of your OWN savings and some Wealth you managed to put together through your life. You want to believe you can hold onto it.


Seriously. In comparison to anyone who has the free time to post on this forum, this lucky lady will *always* be rich.

While we don't know how much she lost to Madoff, we know it was only "part" of her $22.9 billion fortune. If nothing else, she still retains 27.5% of shares in L'Oreal corporation.

She is the second wealthiest individual in France. So, I really do think she'll be okay.

As for the fund manager who took his life, perhaps he was wiped out. But I have a sneaking suspicion he wasn't totally bankrupt. And that's what I find tragic, and interesting: that a person would take his life over falling a few rungs down the economic ladder, even though he is still so far ahead of most people in this world.

How ironic.. so many people would love to be a millionaire, and this man may have taken his life because he was *reduced* to being just a millionaire.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 07:33:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '[')b]ReverseEngineer wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are letting your imagination run away with you SS.

I identify this characteristic now here in many of the posters. Its the "Rich will always be Rich, its the nature of the world" psychology. It essentially provides a sense of stability, particularly if you have some of your OWN savings and some Wealth you managed to put together through your life. You want to believe you can hold onto it.


Seriously. In comparison to anyone who has the free time to post on this forum, this lucky lady will *always* be rich.

While we don't know how much she lost to Madoff, we know it was only "part" of her $22.9 billion fortune. If nothing else, she still retains 27.5% of shares in L'Oreal corporation.


Man, you really DO buy into the "Rich will always be Rich" thought process.

Just how many people do you think will be buying expensive Perfume next year? What do you think her shares in L'Oreal will be worth when they can't pay the workers to squeeze oil out of skunk glands and chemists to manipulate the stink to something humans find appealing instead of disgusting?

Its too outside the box for you to imagine a REALLY big House of Cards falling down? Even when you witness players like Lehman CONSUMED in the Tsunami? Compared to Lehman, Lilliane Bettencourt is small potatoes. They are eating each other up, you can see it happening before your eyes, yet you STILL think these folks will walk away in comfort?

Watch it with me my friend, you will eventually work your way outside the box of your thinking. Its Raining Pigmen, to be sure. I love the rain :-)

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