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Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says science

Unread postby Kristen » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 17:58:07

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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 18:34:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')isorder focus

WTF, this dude needs some herb.......... :razz:
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 18:45:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile supporting the concept that healthy adults should be able to use brain-boosting drugs, the authors called for:
_ More research into the use, benefits and risks of such drugs. Much is unknown about the current medications, such as the risk of dependency when used for this purpose, the commentary said. Also, according to the Food and Drug Administration, Adderall, for example, is an amphetamine that carries warnings about possible sudden death, heart attack and stroke, especially for people with heart problems.

_ Policies to guard against people being coerced into taking them.

_ Steps to keep the benefits from making socio-economic inequalities worse.

_ Action by doctors, educators and others to develop policies on the use of such drugs by healthy people.

_ Legislative action to allow drug companies to market the drugs to healthy people if they meet regulatory standards for safety and effectiveness.


Here's a link directly to the AP Article.

Here's a counter argument to your criticism.
Lots of people take Ginseng, St. John's Wort, or Seaweed. Others take Vitamin C or Vitamin E supplements. Some drink green tea and do yoga.

The entire "alternative medicine" movement is based on eating healthy and taking herbal supplements as opposed to commercial pharmaceuticals.

What is the difference between taking a natural stimulant like St. John's Wort or an artificial stimulant like Adderal?

There isn't much difference between most "alternative" medicines and main stream medicines.

Is drinking caffeinated coffee in order to boost your alertness any different than taking a No-Doz?

The guy isn't calling for everyone to immediately start downing Ritalin like Tic Tacs, he's saying that we should study the risks/benefits of taking the drugs.

We legally allow purchase and use as much St. John's Wort as they want, why not explore the possibility of allowing more free choice in the pharmaceuticals market?

If there is a proven benefit that exceeds the risk, I see no reason to stop consumers from having the opportunity to improve their mental capabilities.
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 18:54:38

Just pick up some ephedra, guarana & take with two asprin. Every jock knows about this secert formula!
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 19:11:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'J')ust pick up some ephedra, guarana & take with two asprin. Every jock knows about this secert formula!

Ah, but ephedra is now illegal as of 2003(?) in the United States.

It was used in traditional Chinese medicine for 5000 years but after a few people used it inappropriately and died, it was banned here.

That's the problem with our current system. We don't research this stuff enough or regulate it consistently.

There is less oversight over the bottled water industry than the public water supplies.

We ban marijuana for pain sufferers and cancer patients but give them addictive and physically devastating Oxycontin instead.

The medical industry is FUBAR, or so it seems.

That's what happens when you let politicians and lawyers run the system instead of doctors.
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Unread postby Niagara » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 19:31:28

In Pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name.

For example, the trade name of Tylenol also has a generic name of Acetaminophen. Aleve is also called Naproxen. Amoxil is also called Amoxicillin and Advil is also called Ibuprofen.

The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin.

Also considered were Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.

Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use as a mixer. It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one.

Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to the names of “cocktails”, “highballs” and just a good old-fashioned “stiff drink”.

Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO.
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby Arsenal » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 19:40:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', 'T')he FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin.
Also considered were Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.

HAHAHA!! Now that's funny.
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby frankthetank » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 21:40:15

Really... Shouldn't it all be legal? If i want to drive into oncoming traffic...nothing is stopping me? If i know the consequences, whats the problem?
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 22:43:52

Granted, increased attention has its benefits, but underlying conditions like hypertension might pose a danger to patients who fail to... Oh my god my dog almost grabbed the sandwich I made for dinner right off the counter top! I have 2 rescued greyhounds and its so easy to forget that even things on tables and counter tops aren't safe. I wonder how cold it's going to get tonight? Damnit! I forgot garbage pickup is tonight and I have a bunch of stuff in the basement I keep forgetting about.
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby cipi604 » Wed 10 Dec 2008, 23:33:43

Cannabis/marijuana should be legal. I'm still a smoker from time to time, I was a heavy smoker and it helped me a lot thru PO depressions.
30% of the people that study here take ritalin illegally to help them learn, but ritalin doesn't make you smarter, just more focused.
Guarana it's better than coffeine.
Anyone who studied drugs know for sure the truth about drugs, everybody's doing drugs, some of them are legal some of them aren't. The bad thing is that some illegal drugs are illegal without any reason.
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby Minvaren » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 02:07:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', 'T')he bad thing is that some illegal drugs are illegal without any reason.

Plenty of reason for them to be illegal, according to TPTB. Who's going to fight a war if we're all stoned? But you are right - everyone "does drugs," it's just a question of which ones you do.
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby Syeer » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 02:11:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'R')eally... Shouldn't it all be legal? If i want to drive into oncoming traffic...nothing is stopping me? If i know the consequences, whats the problem?

The problem is that you're putting the lives of non-consenting people in danger. However, driving off a cliff in manner that puts no other being in harm's way should be perfectly fine.

I used to take both Ritalin and Adderall (among others, starting with Ritalin around 2nd or 3rd grade)as a teen (add and bi-polar)and I can't say it was a pleasant experience - constantly building a tolerance, and constantly having the dosage increased to maintain the proper effects until they had to switch me to something new. As a result of my drugged childhood, I won't even accept a Tylenol for a headache any more.

Alcohol on the other hand, does wonders, in moderation, of course.
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Unread postby Ludi » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 18:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')h, but ephedra is now illegal as of 2003(?) in the United States.

I can't find any reference to it being illegal to grow ephedra for personal use.
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Unread postby Ludi » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 18:41:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Syeer', 'A')lcohol on the other hand, does wonders, in moderation, of course.

Do you treat your bipolar with alcohol exclusively, or what else do you do to treat it, or do you just live with it somehow? If you don't mind me asking.
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Unread postby vision-master » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 19:26:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')h, but ephedra is now illegal as of 2003(?) in the United States.
I can't find any reference to it being illegal to grow ephedra for personal use.

Ephedra is back on the market, for now?
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Unread postby Syeer » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 20:00:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Syeer', 'A')lcohol on the other hand, does wonders, in moderation, of course.
Do you treat your bipolar with alcohol exclusively, or what else do you do to treat it, or do you just live with it somehow? If you don't mind me asking.

There's a bit of a story behind the bi-polar ordeal, and I use the alcohol mainly for anxiety control, not depression.

I stopped taking meds in 2001 (17 yrs old), and actually had to fight my old folks over it, till they gave up. Fast forward 3-4 years and I try to join the military. Had to get a waiver and a letter of recommendation from my doctor because of my history with psychiatric treatment. The conclusion after all those years as a teen, and all the different drugs was that the bi-polar symptoms, which I was put on drugs for, were a result of the ADD meds, which is what I started out on as a kid, and that I really didn't have ADD to an extent worth caring about. I still ended up denied entrance into the military.

The whole thing left me very bitter towards medication - complete with a very mild grudge towards my parents.

Now I have a different demon to battle: anxiety, mostly social - a very, very high level of anxiety.

At least I know I won't develop a dependency on alcohol, can skip weeks worth of dosages if I don't need it, and suffer no withdrawal symptoms, etc, unlike Ritalin, Aderrall, Wellbutrin, Zyprexa, and Lithium, all of which I had been treated with at some point in time.

I know some folk might think it silly to talk about alcohol (re: my favorite Irish whiskeys and rums) as a serious form of treatment, but I can't think of anything else I've ever had that was equally as effective as alcohol.

Do I get depressed every now and again anyways? Yeah, but I always figure I've got more important things to do than worry about it, and it doesn't effect my day to day life. I don't think for one second I have bi-polar, but I might agree that I have a very mild form of depression, it does run in my Grandmother's side of the family, and my mother has it. I just deal with it.

I really wasn't intending to write a whole essay about this. Woops.
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 20:52:19

No, it's ok, and thank you Syeer!

Re: meds causing symptoms of illness, yes they sure do! And they can make existing illnesses worse, as a "side effect" or total failure to work properly.

(I take meds, darn them, for bipolar, as does my sister)
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Unread postby vision-master » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 21:24:15

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Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 22:39:41

I can say without hyperbole or exaggeration that I would've killed myself long ago without the benefit of CNS stimulants. Around the time I was ready to fail out of my second attempt at college, my mom made an appointment for me with a doctor who would eventually become a trusted friend over the course of 15 years. I was also mad at my parents Syeer, to even imply that I might have a learning/ behavioral/ personality disorder! Preposterous! Turns out I was diagnosed with ADD and started down a long, bumpy road towards finding the right combination of meds that best suited my temperament. My grades went from C's D's and Incompletes, to straight A, 4.0 I went from summer school to Dean's List.

Taking medication without counseling, feedback strategies and coping mechanisms is a recipe for disaster. You need both. It wasn't easy. In several respects you're re-inventing yourself. For me it not only changed my grade point average and employment opportunities, it changed my outlook on life; my life's priorities. What started out as an embarrassment, a stigma, has become the best thing that's ever happened to me. I wouldn't trade the insight, compassion or self-awareness that it has afforded me for anything. I still don't wear the T-shirt, though.

More importantly... didn't ANYONE get my joke from page 1 of this thread??? Could it be that I'm not as funny as I think I am???
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Re: Healthy People Should Take Ritalin AND Adderal says scie

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 08:12:39

I was gonna post something about that. But I got distracted. :)
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