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The Spreading Global Food Crisis Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: The Spreading World Food Crisis (2)

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 03:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'C')ur,
It certainly seems likely that a lot more people "somewhere" will be starving next year.
Maybe not in one of our neighborhoods, but somewhere where they aren't starving now.

You are right.

I am wrong.

And I will try to keep that in mind in the future.
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Re: The Spreading World Food Crisis (2)

Unread postby Homesteader » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 04:04:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'C')ur, It certainly seems likely that a lot more people "somewhere" will be starving next year. Maybe not in one of our neighborhoods, but somewhere where they aren't starving now.
You are right.
I am wrong. And I will try to keep that in mind in the future.

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Re: The Spreading World Food Crisis (2)

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 04:09:20

No offense taken...

those are the lines that my wife and I use regularly when acknowledging that the other person is correct... I learned them from my parents.

I say it as a matter of discipline and with a good natured smile... even if the subject matter is rather dis-heartening.
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Re: The Spreading World Food Crisis (2)

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 04:32:05

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from 12/1/08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')IOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) The weekly crop report from the U.S.

Department of Agriculture says South Dakota's Corn harvest is 88 percent complete, compared to 75 percent the previous week.

The sorghum crop is 94 percent harvested, and sunflowers are 83 percent harvested.

The five-year average shows that all three crops should be virtually done by now.

Farmers report that the drying time is the biggest block to the corn harvest. The report says some of the crop won't be picked until the ground is completely frozen.

Ag officials say there's a big demand for crop drying this year and that farmers either will pay the cost of having a dryer at their farm or a higher drying cost at their grain elevator.

Experts say the corn is wetter than it has been in many years.


Silage Problems

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome producers are finding they have poor-quality corn silage this winter, according to a North Dakota State University dairy cattle expert.

"Properly ensiled, corn silage should have a light, pleasant smell with only a slight vinegar odor," says NDSU Extension Service dairy specialist J.W. Schroeder. "It should be slightly brown to dark green. If it is dark brown or has an odor that is fruity, yeasty, burned or rancid, excessive heating or improper fermentation has occurred."

Many crops in North Dakota were starved for heat units this past growing season and matured later than normal. As a result, these fields also were wetter than normal at harvest. So as the season progressed, some producers had little choice but to chop the corn for silage, resulting in improper moisture for ensiling and storage.

Excessively wet silage (greater than 70 percent moisture) usually results in fermentation dominated by undesirable butyric acid-forming bacteria, the loss of large volumes of highly digestible nutrients through seepage and poor animal performance due to low consumption.

For most crops, forage quality and value decrease with maturity; that is, fiber levels increase and digestible energy decreases. However, corn is somewhat unique in that quality increases with maturity. In corn silage, most of the digestible energy is in the grain portion.

Grain yields have been fairly good in many parts of the state this year, but despite waiting to harvest, the forage often was put up too wet for the silo, bunker or bag, Schroeder says.


Some better news?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut what’s making most farmers smile is the fact that there’s going to be a lot of corn this year.

“The best way to look at it is the North Dakota Agriculture Statistics Service, or the last government report out of USDA, has the last highest yield on record at 122 bushels as a state average. They’re pegging it right now at 125; it could be 127. That’s a statewide average. On the eastern side of the state, there are producers harvesting 200 bushel corn this year,” Lilja said. “It’s going to be the highest yield on record; we just need to get it harvested.”

Lilja estimated most of the crops would be in between Dec. 7 and Dec. 10.

Ben Capp, who was combining Tuesday in one of the cornfields he works with his father-in-law, Jay Nissen, said they have seven to 10 days left of harvesting, but that they’re taking a break Thanksgiving Day.

Capp and Nissen have a dryer, so Capp says they’ll get as much corn as possible in and set it up to dry during the holiday.

“We’ll kick it back up on Friday,” he said.

The only thing farmers need to pull off a record corn crop this year is a few more days of the sunny, mild weather from Tuesday.

“We can get a few flurries here and there, and they’ll be OK, but the heavy snow needs to hold off,” Lilja said.

The National Weather Service said there is a slight chance of snow Thursday and Friday in most of the valley, followed by partly sunny weather.


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Re: The Spreading World Food Crisis (2)

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 10:37:16

I don't expect to see any clear signs from daily current events of food shortages and empty grocery store shelves for some time to come. Not with gas under $2 a gallon and climate change and pollution not yet significantly degrading the earth's fertility. So tracking the news stories is kind of a waste of time. Once we fall off the oil plateau then things should start to get interesting.
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Re: The Spreading World Food Crisis (2)

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 12:39:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') don't expect to see any clear signs from daily current events of food shortages and empty grocery store shelves for some time to come. Not with gas under $2 a gallon and climate change and pollution not yet significantly degrading the earth's fertility. So tracking the news stories is kind of a waste of time. Once we fall off the oil plateau then things should start to get interesting.


At what point do you consider pollution "significantly degrading the earth's fertility"? When the amazon forrest look like the tar ponds in Alberta?
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Re: Thousands Glean Fields For Food In USA

Unread postby bratticus » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 16:42:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Global: Avoiding another food price bubble

02 Dec 2008 19:21:34 GMT
Source: IRIN

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On a more optimistic note he suggested that highlighting the recent food price riots in at least 60 countries might be an incentive to get development aid agencies to invest in agriculture in developing countries.

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Swat Team Raids Food Co-op

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 13:42:37

Does anyone have any reliable information on this?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')gents began rifling through all of the family’s possessions, a task that lasted hours and resulted in a complete upheaval of every private area in the home. Many items were taken that were not listed on the search warrant. The family was not permitted a phone call, and they were not told what crime they were being charged with. They were not read their rights. Over ten thousand dollars worth of food was taken, including the family’s personal stock of food for the coming year. All of their computers, and all of their cell phones were taken, as well as phone and contact records. The food cooperative was virtually shut down. There was no rational explanation, nor justification, for this extreme violation of Constitutional rights.


I'm treating this as unsubstantiated for the time being. You know the old saying: "Extrordinary claims require extrordinary proof." So if anyone has a better source on this, I would really like to see it.
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Re: Food Siezure?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 14:14:20

Here's confirmation: Morning Journal
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Re: Food Siezure?

Unread postby mattduke » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 16:13:54

Was the dog shot? The dog ALWAYS gets shot.
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Re: Food Siezure?

Unread postby CarlinsDarlin » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 16:30:34

I also read this on another site this morning. Very scary stuff, indeed. I wonder how long it'll be before they crack down on my illicit egg selling operation :P

Seriously, this is very disturbing. SWAT team and all.
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Re: Food Siezure?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 17:15:28

Just one more reason NOT to TELL anyone in your physical environment what you have stocked. Zombies come in many disguises! :lol:
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Re: Food Siezure?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 17:20:40

Trust no one. Didn't we learn that from Mulder?
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Re: Food Siezure?

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 19:47:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'W')as the dog shot? The dog ALWAYS gets shot.

This was the first question that popped into my head while reading this. I'm still reeling from what happened to the mayor of a small Maryland town, Che Calvo.

Interesting update from the family:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:29 AM
Subject: appreciation & present situation

Hi everyone. First of all, we would like to thank everyone for the phenomenal support and encouragement you have given us during this very difficult time for our family. We have been unbelievably overwhelmed with the outpouring of love and concern from many, many people.

At this point, we still have not been charged with anything, so we are devoting most of our time to research. We are trying to prepare ourselves for what lies ahead.

Many people have asked how they can help. Here are a few things that we are in need of.

*Anyone who has any information or experience with the ODA or the Health Department - we would love to hear about it! We are trying to learn the ORC laws regarding these agencies, their administrative procedure, etc… We will gladly talk with anyone who has information, advice or experiences to share.

*Books on criminal law in Ohio. We would love to borrow any legal books of this nature that anyone might have.

*Computers - We need to borrow 2 computers with the capability to recognize a wireless connection, preferably with Microsoft Excel. This is imperative for us in the research we are doing and would only be until we can get our property back.

Our priorities remain as they always have - God, and then our family. Please know that we will continue to observe our seventh-day Sabbath, so we will not be taking any phone calls or answering emails on that day. We are also trying very hard to get back to some type of normalcy for our children’s sake. We truly appreciate all the prayers for them - we watch how they are responding to this entire situation and we can tell that people are praying! We are blessed to see how the Lord is protecting their hearts and minds.

From a business perspective, we are trying to get ourselves back up and running. Our plan is to be taking orders within 2 weeks - we will put out an email once we decide on the date. Our delay at this point is purely administrative - we have lost all our records, so it is taking some time to get everything back in order.

On that same note, I do not have a complete email list of our customers, so please pass this on to anyone who you know that orders from us.

We have had many people contacting us from the media. At this point, for our own protection, we are not saying anything except to confirm what we already know. Once we have all of the facts, we will issue a statement to the press about our position.

Again, we cannot say thank you enough - we are dumbfounded at how the Lord has used people during this time in our lives.

Please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions or concerns you may have. Please be patient if it takes a while for us to respond to an email or phone call - we are inundated with both and are trying to work through everything without taking time away from our families.

Jackie & Katie Stowers


Michael Pollan fans on here (and you know who you are, Shannymara) are probably thinking of Joel Salatin, author of Everthing I Want to Do Is Illegal: War Stories From the Local Food Front All of this seems to be centered on maintaining corporate control of the food chain. Google Docket AMS-TM-06-0198 TM-05-14 from the Federal Register, which proposes to make the sale of livestock illegal to all but the large factory farms. Oh, and remember your first duty as an American: corporate profitability.
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Re: Food Siezure?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 20:52:38

...Please do not hesitate to contact us ...

After all, we are on your side...

I guess my question is:

How many folks who have responded or become agitated at the topic of this thread have much food or ability to produce food which might be seized?

I'm going to guess 1%.


This is the internet folks, hysterics get ratings.

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Re: Food Seizure?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 20:58:51

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This type of thing happens every now and then. A neighbor got a cease and desist order for his raw milk operation a year or two back. Every once in a while they need to make an example of someone.

Lesson: don't get too big.
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Re: Food Seizure?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 21:08:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I')t's not that, Pops, it's the fact that this was a successful, local food co-op that has been raided. Big agribusiness, which owns a large chunk of the government that's supposed to represent us, is crushing people for daring to work outside the system. I belong to a similar co-op here in Oklahoma. I disagree with you that this is not an important story. Relocalization of food production and distribution, which is exactly what these people were doing, is quite relevant to preparing for the future. And even people who don't participate in such things need to understand the reality of who this government actually represents, and how far it will go to protect those parties' interests.

I agree with you shanny but I also see the need to go even smaller. We also belong to a co-op and get a fair amount of our food there. I guess I have a hillbillies attitude of going around the powers that be rather than fighting them. Usually there is a way around the regulations... printing "for pet consumption only" on raw milk bottles for instance or selling live animals to a neighbor and doing the slaughtering as a "favor."
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Re: Food Seizure?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 21:22:12

At least none of us will be surprised if SWAT or blackwater arrive one day and confiscate our brussel sprouts and winter greens at gunpoint, especially with recurring or indefinite martial law declaration. :-D
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Re: Food Seizure?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 21:42:52

it ends up being a wierd kind of Kung Fu with the government.

up till now, the forced vaccinations of 150 families in the Northeast - "if you don't let us vaccinate your kids, you will go to jail" - was the most fascist-ic alarming incident i had heard of.

this incident, and the other incidents mentioned in the thread, are similarly alarming. to me, this seems much more serious than getting harassed for having an anti-Bush banner in the window, and the other wierd Department of Homeland Security incidents.

i had heard of Percy Schmeizer & his fight with Monsanto, and of some farmers being harassed by the FDA or USDA - but i hadn't heard of anything like this.

so to get around the vaccine fascism, you need to find a sympathetic doctor to say that he's vaccinated your kid. to deal with USDA fascism, you have to do the things people are mentioning.

this puts a force on pushing people to grow their own. the USDA doesn't have the resources to tell people they can't eat sprouted wheat that they grew themselves.

incidents like this also raise the issue of video surveillance. if the farmers who were harassed had webcams capturing the whole incident, that would be quite empowering. the whole world would get a chance to look at the proverbial jack-booted thugs stealing people's food. all it would mean is a $500 laptop with a webcam discretely placed & recording 24/7.
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Re: Food Seizure?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 05 Dec 2008, 21:45:02

I guess if you don't care about what, where or how your food is produced this is a big deal.

I thought many here wanted more responsibility placed on those who grow their food - it seems this "blah" just the opposite.

Personally I welcome any inspector here at my farm.

If you think all that is crap then cool, I have a dead calf I'll sell you - but get here quick!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I')t's not that, Pops, it's the fact that this was a successful, local food co-op that has been raided. Big agribusiness...

I'm thinking the "story" is just another moneymaker, Shanny:
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Again, I'd ask who on this board has experienced or can corroborate any such actions at their local co-op, farmers market or farmstand?

I'm going to bet zero this time even though we have thousands of Members.


Don't believe everything you read, especially a thread with a title as provocative as this one's.
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