by ReverseEngineer » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 19:42:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '
')It proved my point. All of the examples above are daft. You can't have light without darkness or order without chaos or life without death or energy without gravity or up without down which means good and evil are the same or you could say neither exist.
Its true you cannot have one without the other, but that doesn't mean they are the same. There are two sides to a coin, they both belong to the existence that is the coin, but they are opposites. In the case of a coin, which side is Good and which side is Evil isn't very clear of course.
Out in the world of matter, you can't tell which side is Good and which side is Evil through observation either, because its all relative from this reference point. You can only tell from outside that reference point, from your Spirit. If you have no spirit, you can't tell the difference and are morally lost. Quite a serious and tangible problem for many Americans who have grown up in a morally bankrupt culture that placed value on wealth and not in the spirit.
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Yes. 'Good' and 'Evil' are concepts. Nothing more. They are not solid. One mans meat is another mans murder
Exactly the problem I explained above. You are a relativist, because there is no moral center to what you understand about the world. There is in fact a difference, but you have to grasp hold of the spirit to understand the difference. You clearly are unable to do this. You'll have to find this on your own terms, hopefully before you die.
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by idiom » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 19:56:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot everyone accepts Gould's theory.
Lol @ fossilized old holdouts. Everytime I try to explain time dilation to my father he says "I refuse to believe that! It doesn't make sense".
The world ends without a tragedy,Time is melting into history
The sky is falling, Voices crying out in desperation
Hear them calling, Everybody, save yourself
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by KevO » Sun 07 Dec 2008, 12:46:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')e're all matter.
That isn't the point in dispute. The question would be whether matter is all we are? Does that matter? If you can demonstrate a point is immaterial and that matters to the outcome of an argument, doesn't that prover that immaterial things do matter? If it doesn't matter, why participate in such a discussion anyhow? If you are a relativist, none of the outcomes matter, Good or Evil are fundamentally neutral concepts. I'm not a relativist. I got no problem whatsoever distiguishing the difference between Good and Evil; or with Damning anyone at all to Everlasting Torment Burning in the Fires of Hell

That is because it does matter.
No. Actually nothing really matters as you may find out before you die but mattering -aka worrying -aka fear, is something a lot of people like to busy themselves with until, as Lennon once said, 'they find there's no need'.
by ReverseEngineer » Sun 07 Dec 2008, 19:49:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')e're all matter.
That isn't the point in dispute. The question would be whether matter is all we are? Does that matter? If you can demonstrate a point is immaterial and that matters to the outcome of an argument, doesn't that prover that immaterial things do matter? If it doesn't matter, why participate in such a discussion anyhow? If you are a relativist, none of the outcomes matter, Good or Evil are fundamentally neutral concepts. I'm not a relativist. I got no problem whatsoever distiguishing the difference between Good and Evil; or with Damning anyone at all to Everlasting Torment Burning in the Fires of Hell

That is because it does matter.
No. Actually nothing really matters as you may find out before you die but mattering -aka worrying -aka fear, is something a lot of people like to busy themselves with until, as Lennon once said, 'they find there's no need'.
This is a question of perspective. A Chicken and the Egg,Glass is Half Empty or Half Full question. You equate Mattering with Fear and Worry; I equate it with Hope and Courage. If nothing matters, there is no reason to fight of course. If everything matters, you have all the reason in the world to fight. To you, there is no difference between Good and Evil; I make value judgements on the difference which provides me all the reason I need to make a fight of it. Lennon may have written that "there is no need", but that would be pretty hypocritical of him since he also wrote "Working Class Hero".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fcuking crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fcuking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me
by KevO » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 05:24:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ')Lennon may have written that "there is no need", but that would be pretty hypocritical of him since he also wrote "Working Class Hero".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
--snip--
If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me
From my point of view, that is a FIGHT song. Maybe from your point of view it means it just doesn't matter?
So many Americans and a lot of Brits for that matter have never understood Lennon or The Beatles.
You must understand that 'Working Class Hero' is an ironic song. Lennon was very middle class (I've been to his home) and the song is an attack on the working class and their ignorance of how easily they follow the line, telling in the song lines -
'And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still fcuking peasants as far as I can see'
Lennon was far too intelligent for this to be a 'fight' song. 'Working Class Hero' was written in the same vein as 'Revolution' and an attack on the very people that without any analysis seems like support i.e ironic
by EndOfGrowth » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 08:56:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'S')orry, no link, came via e-mail. The Illuminati is gutting you as we speak and essentially they want you to DIE.
Yes, this is true, they want us to die, in order
to leave room for nature according to these videos
Video part 1
Part 2
Have the Illuminati pulled the plug on credit? You decide

Machines are what distinguish modern man from the savage.
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