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Re: ground potential energy

Postby kolm » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 07:46:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('topfuel', 'I') looking for investment ideas for my new source of energy
hear is some the reasons ground potential energy works.
all house hold electrical 120 volt systems have grounded neutrals
therefore that current travels through the ground back to the
power station sometimes hundreds of miles away.
I propose that one can tap that energy on it's way back
to the power station of course I have said very little how I will
achieve that,not to give away the idea..


You either believe you are smarter than thermodynamics or you intend to steal from the power companies. [If you, by whatever means, are able to "draw energy" from a circuit, the power source, i.e., the power company, has to put in more energy to keep the balance. It is essentially the same as "tapping" in all the "energy" going through a power line.]

Either way, you will lose big time.
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Re: ground potential energy

Postby kolm » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 07:49:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('topfuel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'T')he actual amount of energy in a typical lightning strike is approximately equal to the amount of energy in a cup of gasoline. Even ignoring the impracticality of the equipment needed and the difficulty of catching multiple strikes of lightning, you would still be better off installing a solar panel and collecting sunlight between lightning strikes.
Why Can't We Harness Lightning?


lighting at end points eguals that cup of gasoline,now calculate
the energy between.


There is no "energy between", zip, zero, provable by simple considerations like Kirchhoff's laws. Please read up on the most elementary facts about energy and electric circuits before "considering investments", it will help not only your bank account but also our sanity.
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Re: ground potential energy

Postby oiless » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 13:12:42

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You either believe you are smarter than thermodynamics or you intend to steal from the power companies. [If you, by whatever means, are able to "draw energy" from a circuit, the power source, i.e., the power company, has to put in more energy to keep the balance. It is essentially the same as "tapping" in all the "energy" going through a power line.]

Either way, you will lose big time.


I remember hearing a story years ago about a fellow that had a high tension power line next to his property. He had supposedly wound a big coil in a shed on his property line and was getting "free" power from induction. The way the story went they finally caught him.
I've never worked in the industry but I expect power companies keep pretty close tabs on line losses.
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Re: ground potential energy

Postby kolm » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 15:14:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kolm', '
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You either believe you are smarter than thermodynamics or you intend to steal from the power companies. [If you, by whatever means, are able to "draw energy" from a circuit, the power source, i.e., the power company, has to put in more energy to keep the balance. It is essentially the same as "tapping" in all the "energy" going through a power line.]

Either way, you will lose big time.


I remember hearing a story years ago about a fellow that had a high tension power line next to his property. He had supposedly wound a big coil in a shed on his property line and was getting "free" power from induction. The way the story went they finally caught him.
I've never worked in the industry but I expect power companies keep pretty close tabs on line losses.


Well, they actually try and forecast them (depends on weather, but mostly on which plant produces how much) since they have to compensate for it, and if they are caught off-guard on that they have to buy balancing power, which is comparable to a Porsche in price.

That said, it is more likely they found out while checking the cables for integrity and aging (they measure resistance, and if that's too large, they'll take a closer look), as long as he withdrew only some kW.
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Re: ground potential energy

Postby efarmer » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 17:36:45

For the most part in North America power is polyphase (3 or more)
and the current flow is all on the high tension lines and not in
the earth with the exception of leakages and safety flows that
would not be of reliable use to power loads. There is a form of
transmission called SWER (single wire earth return) used
in Australia, New Zealand, and some rural North American
places wherein grid power is fed to an isolation transformer
to produce high voltage to go over 1 wire to another step-down
transformer(s) at the place(s) of usage with the return path being
via the earth. To "steal" this power you would have to effectively
insert your kit in series close to a grounding point and absorb some of the 80KV or so of isolated SWER power while holding onto your mortal soul, and not causing enough loss to have all the paying customers notice the low mains voltage and turn your power robbing carcass in for a tidy little bounty. I do believe the pirates of the Somalian coast have a better and safer wrinkle than this to get something for little or no money.
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Re: ground potential energy

Postby topfuel » Thu 01 Jan 2009, 19:18:49

stealing power is not my objective,just redirecting earth's unused
energy,I admit it would cost a few billions $ but labour is not cheap,
It is not going to happen from proceeds of this site.
Oh and this is not the same as an earth battery which powered
telegraph lines across the USA.
so let it be said so let it done
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