[Carlhole]

'Zeitgeist Addendum' is very pro energy technology - especially geothermal energy.

It's been my understanding so far that geothermal energy was a marginal, niche player in the total breakdown from all sources. However, Zeitgeist claims that it can potential dwarf all others.

After I watched it, I noticed thaqt there is at east one thread here on PO.com which speaks well of the potential of geothermal.

The producer of this film may not be the sharpest energy expert in the drawer but he at least does a little due diligence before spouting off an opinion and going to all the expense and effort of making a film. But the people he chose to interview seemed to be political types way over on the Left. Whereas I would have preferred to hear from engineering types who held a reasonable vision for geothermal... or solar or wind or whatever.

What's the realistic potential of geothermal energy?

You have to be able to engineer extremely strong bore holes in order to withstand the immense pressures at depths of 10 - 20 miles into the crust - except in certain places on Earth where the crust is thin.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ''')Zeitgeist Addendum' is very pro energy technology - especially geothermal energy.

It's been my understanding so far that geothermal energy was a marginal, niche player in the total breakdown from all sources. However, Zeitgeist claims that it can potential dwarf all others.

After I watched it, I noticed thaqt there is at east one thread here on PO.com which speaks well of the potential of geothermal.

The producer of this film may not be the sharpest energy expert in the drawer but he at least does a little due diligence before spouting off an opinion and going to all the expense and effort of making a film. But the people he chose to interview seemed to be political types way over on the Left. Whereas I would have preferred to hear from engineering types who held a reasonable vision for geothermal... or solar or wind or whatever.

What's the realistic potential of geothermal energy?

You have to be able to engineer extremely strong bore holes in order to withstand the immense pressures at depths of 10 - 20 miles into the crust - except in certain places on Earth where the crust is thin.

[Delphis]

Good additions to the original... video Cheers!

[mrobert]

This is the only "conspiracy" documentary, that doesn't make any speculations or assumption, but simply present some publicly available and verifiable facts

It was brilliant. I watched it.

[FireJack]

Hmmm this venus project and the technoutopia is very nice but I don't see it happening. Lots of good points a bit too long. They really need to shorten it down to say 1 hour or 1/2 hour.

I try to imagine myself showing this to close minded people like my parents or my brother. The first time they see something they don't like then everything is considered wrong, the whole thing is bullshit, end of story. It's good but it won't go anywhere.

[Delphis]

Thanks mrob, I particularly enjoyed the near end scenario of the Venus Project and the need, or inevitable demise, of the monetary system. I had never seen the Thomas Paine quote they showed either...

"The World is my country, all man and women are my brothers and sisters, and to do good is my religion."

Words to live by, now it's all about getting the word out and planning for the next step...

Enjoy,

[mrobert]

The Venus project unfortunately it's unachievable.
You need people who are 100% menthally educated for such a society.

[dukey]

the 2nd half of that film is just bat shit crazy
the first half is excellent though

[aggie]

I don't know why they added the second half. Here are the questions I have. If we didn't have a monetary system, what would be the incentive for continuing technology? They are suggesting a world where noone needs to work, but who is going to make that world if they aren't getting incentives (money or power)? I do agree that the gap between the poor and rich is a bad thing, but I don't think the world could continue to improve technology without a monetary system. Also, if our resources are so abundant and everybody can have everything they ever wanted, wouldn't that just put more stress on technology causing greater population growth, obesity, food scarcity, etc.

Also, they argue that the reason for all of our inmates is poverty. Without a monetary system there would be no need to steal. What about rape and abuse? I still think that would exist even without money. There will always be evil, no matter what the system is. To think everyone will become law abiding citizens if money didn't exist is foolish.

Note: I didn't watch the full video as I thought it was straying away from its main purpose. Maybe they addressed these problems towards the end.

[mos6507]

Zeitgeist: The Topic that never leaves "View posts since last visit".

[Delphis]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'T')he Venus project unfortunately it's unachievable.
You need people who are 100% menthally educated for such a society.

[Delphis]

[quote="aggie"]
Also, they argue that the reason for all of our inmates is poverty. Without a monetary system there would be no need to steal. What about rape and abuse? I still think that would exist even without money. There will always be evil, no matter what the system is. To think everyone will become law abiding citizens if money didn't exist is foolish.

Let's at least give the plausible notion that if we PO'ers see our vision of the short term future happen following PO which we are many decades past, that people would have to embrace a symbiotic relationship with their fellow humans...

Perhaps it is one of those, we'll never walk on the moon leaps of faith...JMHO.
quote]

Aggie I feel that was the stretch for our minds to ponder, the fact that if we were faced with a world that provided everything we needed...give that a second...we would find our priorities altered in quantum manner, therebt changing how we view our world, our partners in the biospere, etc. I know I am sounding a bit hippy-dippy, but I have to think there have been societies that have at least pushed that envelope a bit further than our separatist, labor based, I don't even kno my neighbor's name business model we currently "enjoy." Again, JMHO

[Delphis]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Z')eitgeist: The Topic that never leaves "View posts since last visit".

[pana_burda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ote: I didn't watch the full video as I thought it was straying away from its main purpose.

[hironegro]

Americans are happy with corporatism; is that a conspiracy?

[pablonite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 't')here is little offered as far as any kind of roadmap for moving forward. I suppose this is understandable, given that we're talking about uncharted territory.

[angrybill]

The entire Venus Project property and buildings in Florida is now for sale, just over 500K. Do you see that it went on sale just after the movie release, like within weeks. Wonder what that is about.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('angrybill', 'T')he entire Venus Project property and buildings in Florida is now for sale, just over 500K. Do you see that it went on sale just after the movie release, like within weeks. Wonder what that is about.

[TommyJefferson]

> "Zeitgeist" Addendum: Money=Debt
Not true. Money is a means of exchange. It is not evil. It can be anything like gold, printed papers, or pretty shells.

Debt is a claim against the present or future resources of another. It's an entirely different thing. This childish misunderstanding of basic economics pervades that move.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '&')gt; "Zeitgeist" Addendum: Money=Debt
This childish misunderstanding of basic economics pervades that move.