[scas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')esides promoting and being boosters for this scheme, what are those with "changed consciousness" actually DOING to make it a reality?

Now that they have thought about it for a few decades (virtually all these ideas date from the beginning of the previous century), what are they DOING?

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')esides promoting and being boosters for this scheme, what are those with "changed consciousness" actually DOING to make it a reality?

Now that they have thought about it for a few decades (virtually all these ideas date from the beginning of the previous century), what are they DOING?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o we should not, in your opinion, point out any of the flaws or practical difficulties in this scheme?

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m happy for people. But for those of us who don't know what "it" is, it doesn't help much.

I probably need to use magical plants or stop taking my medications, then I would know what "it" is.

[vision-master]

rigid ppl, that does sound kinda like po ppl.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'r')igid ppl, that does sound kinda like po ppl.

[vision-master]

Nay, they tend to be hung up on nuts and bolts kind of things, 2012 ppl are way kool.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('scas', '
')The fellow has made 3 movies that are available free to an enormous audience. Have you seen them all? I see that as quite an accomplishment.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', ' ')Do you honestly think that Fresco, who has been building and refining this vision for his entire adult life (he's in his 90s now), hasn't heard and considered most, if not all of the objections raised here (and probably many more besides)?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')Go to South American, visit a Shaman and take some ayahuasca.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('scas', '
')The fellow has made 3 movies that are available free to an enormous audience. Have you seen them all? I see that as quite an accomplishment.

[vision-master]

moss, that last post sounds like doomer group think to me.

[IsThisRealLife]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hese ideas have been around for decades, what are all these other people doing with them NOW, in their own lives?

[Ludi]

Oh dang, how could I forget this example:

Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow opened in 1982!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment ... w_(concept)

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', 'I')'m merely waiting for the day TSHTF. All my prep will buy a few months to a year if it's a real catastrophe. A few years if it's a slow decline.

[IsThisRealLife]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'D')oesn't look like you've bought the positive vision part, just the "we're in a world of hurt" part.

[dukey]

This movie is, the system is broken, we need world government to fix it.

[Narz]

I liked the first part quite a bit. The second was a bit overdone but I basically agreed with it.

The 3rd was a bit over the top with a lot of ideas about utopia but not really any details about the day to day life of these people, how they would maintain their civilization, protect themselves, exchange for goods & services (in their resource-based economy).

I'm not on the same page as the Luddites who deny automation can even achieve anything & if you don't know how to grow a garden using only a shovel made of twigs you're a useless doomed human, but the whole total-automation in the near future idea seems a bit far fetched.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') watched the end of it, the solutions portion. Which is very Sci-fi and cool and the end of the film is very uplifting with everyone throwing their money away.

But then I'm left wondering how they are going to survive, with no money and no alternative way of life in place. Remember that city with those magical machines and computers hasn't been built yet.

[TWilliam]

I would lay odds that just about anyone who actually endeavored to live as a hunter-gatherer for any length of time would be sick of it in short order. It is not the idyllic lifestyle that many wish to paint it as. Even those few HG societies that presently survive will often eagerly adopt any technology that they perceive as making life easier.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'T')his movie is, the system is broken, we need world government to fix it.