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Re: Citigroup To Cut 53,000 Jobs

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 19 Nov 2008, 03:47:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RSFB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'T')he Banking Industry doesn't need ANY workers. The whole industry can be run by Henry Paulson from his Laptop. He can write checks to himself, borrow from himself at Zero Percent and charge himself 18% interest on the money he borrows to make zillions on the money Ben printed for him yesterday.

It only stops working when he can't afford to buy any more ink.

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Re: Citigroup To Cut 53,000 Jobs

Unread postby IslandCrow » Wed 19 Nov 2008, 05:47:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'I') dont think one man is enougth. 2 - 3 years ago an article stated that a bank needed 20 to 25 people to run its operations. No links, just my memory.


The banking group I bank with has less than 20 staff all told and the local branch office has 6.

This bank does not fit into the *Too big to fail* category, so it is good that they have not borrowed money from other banks to cover their loans, and have a Capital Adequacy Ratio at least 3 times as high as the major banking chains here.

My feeling is that as things contract after hitting PO we will need these small local banks, with responsible lending to people they know, but the governments are only interested in saving some of the large ones. One of the first practical moves to support "relocalization" that I could do was to transfer my banking to a local group. [Disclaimer: from the information Seahorse(2) has published I realise that not all small local banks have followed a conservative lending practice, and at least in his area many are in deep difficulty - so check the financial statements of the banks you do business with]
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After massive layoff plans, CitiGroup headed for gov. rescue

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 21 Nov 2008, 21:31:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ov. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc. will probably get rescued by the U.S. government after a crisis in confidence erased half its stock-market value in three days, investors and analysts said.

Citigroup has more than $2 trillion of assets, dwarfing companies such as American International Group Inc. that got U.S. support this year. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke may favor a rescue to avoid the chaotic aftermath of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.’s bankruptcy in September.

“There is no question that Citi is in the category of ‘too big to fail,’” said Michael Holland, chairman and founder of Holland & Co. in New York, which oversees $4 billion. “There is a commitment from this administration and the next to do what it takes to save Citi.”

While Citigroup executives say the company has adequate capital and liquidity to ride out the crisis, its tumbling share price may shake the confidence of creditors, clients and rating agencies. A similar scenario played out at Lehman, when Chief Executive Officer Richard Fuld declared the firm was “on the right track” five days before the firm went bankrupt.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... =worldwide
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US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiGroup

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 17:45:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')pdate: The government is looking to buy substantial amount of assets from Citi like a good bank, bad bank structure. The government will absorb much of the losses for Citi if there are losses and Citi would issue preferred stock to the government.

The Feds could buy more than $100 billion in the bad assets if the plans go through.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/27873985
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby Revi » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 18:42:45

What are we doing this for? Is there something that is going to benefit us the taxpayers about buying up Citi's bad assets?

I think not.

Will it help the financial crisis to do this?

I think not.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby Denny » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 18:44:46

I also have some trashy stocks in my portfolio, that have sunk 75% in value. I admit, I did not cut them loose when I should have. So, in that respect, I guess I am like Citibank. I wish there was somebody around to buy these off me at their original price.

Anybody interested?
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 18:53:46

What a joke... Why doesn't the God forsaken government just buy everything. They can start buy buying the autos, the airplanes, the farms...
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby americandream » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 19:25:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')hat a joke... Why doesn't the God forsaken government just buy everything. They can start buy buying the autos, the airplanes, the farms...


The richies will tap working joe taxpayer only to the extent it is necessary to protect their wealth and kick start the "middle class" scam. Government is there to protect their interests, not yours.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 19:42:09

Oh yeah... I know that. Its socializing the debt and privatizing the profit. Its just a crock.

They can't get their money any other way, so they'll just take if from everyone.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby KCFrog » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 20:28:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'O')h yeah... I know that. Its socializing the debt and privatizing the profit. Its just a crock.

They can't get their money any other way, so they'll just take if from everyone.


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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 20:34:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KCFrog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'O')h yeah... I know that. Its socializing the debt and privatizing the profit. Its just a crock.

They can't get their money any other way, so they'll just take if from everyone.


print, print, print...



Printing money to buy worthless assets doesn't sound to me like the start of a deflationary cycle at all. Sounds to me like inflation is right around the corner.

I don't understand how this helps average taxpayers and workers.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby seahorse » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 20:34:57

Interesting how, without a blink of an eye, the gov't will send $100 billion to Citi, $130+ billion to AIG, $25 billion apiece to JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and the like, but they won't consider giving GM a measly $25 billion? Don't get me wrong, I'm against bailing anyone out, but the hypocrisy reeks of white collar versus blue collar. They must protect the oligarchy at all costs.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 20:36:59

.... and seahorse, let's not forget about the 25 billion wasted, and I mean COMPLETELY WASTED each month engaging the US military in the stupid wars in Islam.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby patience » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 20:40:47

eastbay,

As I understand it, it's a race to see whether govts can print as fast as debts can go bad and destroy money originally created by credit. Currently, the credit-destruction vortex seems to be winning. Who knows? If they can change denominations fast enough, the printing might stand a chance!
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 21:00:27

Since its all computerized, what would happen if you just wiped all the debts out, and dropped say $10K New Dollars in every person's bank account, and everybody keeps their jobs paying up to $100K a year?

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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby lowem » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 21:27:41

Think of the credit crisis as a dam analogy. Right now the dam is being drained and it is half full. But if you dump another half dam of water all at once, the dam will still burst.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 21:27:50

Another version of the story:

Citi rescue plan in the works

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ederal regulators on Sunday were reportedly working toward a rescue plan for Citigroup, whose stock has plunged in recent days over fears of its exposure to toxic mortgage assets.

Details remained unclear, but the plan reportedly centers around a government guarantee of some of Citigroup's loans. Under such an arrangement, the government would back loan-losses above a certain level. The goal: Restore confidence in Citigroup's viability.

An announcement could come as early as Sunday evening.

Calls to Citigroup were not immediately returned.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 21:54:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'A')nother version of the story:

Citi rescue plan in the works

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ederal regulators on Sunday were reportedly working toward a rescue plan for Citigroup, whose stock has plunged in recent days over fears of its exposure to toxic mortgage assets.

Details remained unclear, but the plan reportedly centers around a government guarantee of some of Citigroup's loans. Under such an arrangement, the government would back loan-losses above a certain level. The goal: Restore confidence in Citigroup's viability.


How does throwing taxpayer money at a money losing bank restore ANYBODY'S confidence in the viability of that bank?

When will the journalists reporting this stuff STOP parroting government propaganda? Its ridiculous. Can't somebody in the MSM SAY "this is ridiculous!"?

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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby nobodypanic » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 22:00:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'S')ince its all computerized, what would happen if you just wiped all the debts out, and dropped say $10K New Dollars in every person's bank account, and everybody keeps their jobs paying up to $100K a year?

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if you buy into the current paradigm, like we both know they do, then that's the way to fix it.

until you bail out j6p, you won't kick start anything.
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Re: US Treasury to buy $100 billion in bad assets from CitiG

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 23 Nov 2008, 22:48:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I')nteresting how, without a blink of an eye, the gov't will send $100 billion to Citi, $130+ billion to AIG, $25 billion apiece to JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and the like, but they won't consider giving GM a measly $25 billion? Don't get me wrong, I'm against bailing anyone out, but the hypocrisy reeks of white collar versus blue collar. They must protect the oligarchy at all costs.


umm, no the financial sector in their view is more important than industry or farming.
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