[nobodypanic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')EVERYONE in the U.S. SHOULD get a gun and get ready to defend themselves. Form neighbourhood watch groups within your localities. A fast crash changes everything. All of the advice about sustainable farming, etc...is inadequate for the job. You can't garden your way out of the massive crime wave that will hit after people have used up their unemployment benefits.

Has anyone else done the same recalibrating routine, I've described here? What did you think would happen, versus what is happening?

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he new Bond flick mentions the world is running out of oil. Peak oil is coming to main stream.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '.').......and yet there are many here that are still in denial.
I know people who have taken their properties off the market because the realtor has told them to re-list in the spring because prices will be back up by then.

Fools! What happens when everybody thinking the same re-lists?

They won't even get close to what they could have got now.
Too many sellers are still living in the 2007 time frame.

[deMolay]

The time to buy real estate again is when you see long lists of property for sale for taxes owing on a weekly basis in your local paper. This why if you can try to hold cash or equivalent, I remember a story my father told of the 1930's. Many big homes were sold for taxes owing. Torn down and the material used to build several houses, to be sold again.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')EVERYONE in the U.S. SHOULD get a gun and get ready to defend themselves. Form neighbourhood watch groups within your localities. A fast crash changes everything. All of the advice about sustainable farming, etc...is inadequate for the job. You can't garden your way out of the massive crime wave that will hit after people have used up their unemployment benefits.

Has anyone else done the same recalibrating routine, I've described here? What did you think would happen, versus what is happening?

[Arsenal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')are you ready for a rouge national guard unit or local warlord to kick you out of your house?

[frankthetank]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') lived in my car and was homeless for nine months when I was in college. I lived in the San Juan mountains in Colorado before for months at a time out of a car. I have a backpack, good shoes, rain gear, tent and other necessities. I could walk out the door and never come back if I had to, sure. It would suck, because of all the preps I've done here, but yes, I've done it before many times.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', '
')Every other day I hear someone in the office tell me that NOW would probably be a good time to buy while the market is down... Ummm, yeah, no not quite yet. Give it another five years or so.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'D')o you really expect the pain of peak oil not to hit in the next five years?

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', '
')I'm impressed. I loved the mountains when i was out in Colorado. Did you just stay in some forest or something? I could do this, but my wife could never handle it.

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', '
')I'm impressed. I loved the mountains when i was out in Colorado. Did you just stay in some forest or something? I could do this, but my wife could never handle it.

[ki11ercane]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')When the work could be done by the thermodynamic energy of Oil, it was true briefly that people could live comfortably working only a fraction fo the time of their existence. In the years before Big Oil came to Rule the World, you either worked all the time, you got slaves to do the work for you, or you died. Hopefully we return to atime when people worked for themselves and their communtiy, as opposed to working to make a few people rich. Only time will tell how that one plays itself out. The days when you could not work though and depend on the thermodynamic energy of oil to do the work for you are OVER.

Reverse Engineer

[Arsenal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'N')ot because of people, but because of people's pets. You and I both know what all of those house pets can be like when they get out and run in packs. I wouldn't want to face Madmaxville in the woods without a gun for that reason alone.

[Arsenal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '
')And if your state laws allow, get a concealed weapon license and carry it with you 24/7. Crime is already on the rise, and going to get much worse. Not to mention them unruly pets.
I do not leave home without my .45 and at least two spare magazines of ammo.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arsenal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'N')ot because of people, but because of people's pets. You and I both know what all of those house pets can be like when they get out and run in packs. I wouldn't want to face Madmaxville in the woods without a gun for that reason alone.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ki11ercane', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')When the work could be done by the thermodynamic energy of Oil, it was true briefly that people could live comfortably working only a fraction fo the time of their existence. In the years before Big Oil came to Rule the World, you either worked all the time, you got slaves to do the work for you, or you died. Hopefully we return to atime when people worked for themselves and their communtiy, as opposed to working to make a few people rich. Only time will tell how that one plays itself out. The days when you could not work though and depend on the thermodynamic energy of oil to do the work for you are OVER.

Reverse Engineer

[Arsenal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '
')But why do you think Your life is or should be worth saving? That is the question that beats me, in every individualistic "survivalist"... everybody dies anyway, so shouldn't the question be "how you lived and died" instead of "how you survived"?

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I') would consider a gun, though I don't own one now, not because of people, but because of people's pets.

[Arsenal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '
')Why get so many individual licenses? In the case of my Oklahoma permit, it is honored in 33 states. Just have to be aware of which ones do not honor it and stay the f--k out of them. I know Oklahoma honors every other states license without exception, even those like Vermont that allow CCW with no license. Heck, they even honor Californias! That is frickin amazing. Who in California has a CCW license? The PTB only I imagine.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Re: Fast Crash There is a literary analogy I can think of and it comes from Steven King's novel The Stand. The story tells of a bio warfare militarized flu that gets loose and kills just about everybody. It was nothing exotic like ebola, just a flu, but a flu that just kept getting worse until the victims drowned in phlegm. A flu make you sick, but usually for most people most of the time the body can fight it off and stabilize the condition. Similarly, during the Great Depression, the economy got very sick but it stabilized. 75% of workers had jobs. The country got by on a reduced standard of living and much reduced trade with the world. This time, though, the US absolutely must import many vital things. Likewise, around the world economies depend for their very survival on global trade. This isn't a financial crisis anymore, this is systemic. I can't know, of course, but I see the possibility that this won't stabilize at some low point but just keep getting worse until everybody freaks and it's curtains.