[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')f it is the end of sex, then maybe that would solve our overshoot problem once and for all.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', 'I') don't think Christianity has been trying to stamp out sex--maybe some sects have, but not as a whole.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')here were Protestant sects that use to use a sheet with a little hole in it to have sex.

[Sixstrings]

Well.. hard economic times may once again encourage couples to stay together. Our massive divorce rate in recent decades is a direct corelation to the economic ability for the old lady to say "enough of your crap," and live on her own.

Besides.. gloom and doom times mean more sex, not less. And, it's a statistical fact that poor people have MORE children, not less.

The wealthier a society is, the lower the birthrate. That's why USA would have negative population growth if not for immigration. Many first world countries without much immigration do have negative pop growth.

So fear not.. sex is here to stay.

[turner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('turner', '
')You must be mixing in the wrong circles if you think that's all women do. Today I went to my dentist and my doctor both of whom are women. I spoke to my three sister-in-laws (lawyer,teacher,house painter/signwriter) and two girlfriends (accountant, writer/journo). On any given other day I would have contact with several women with 'useful' occupations.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')And all of these want to run easy, consumerist lifestyles.

And no, most of these have no interest in permaculture whatsoever.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'U')s guys had better get our vasectomies now, before the cost skyrockets.

[charliebrownout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')Chastity doctrines were pretty heavy in the Paulian epistles. It's not just the Shakers. That's why Catholic priests, for example, aren't supposed to marry. Obviously most people won't do the whole chastity thing and if they did they'd go the way of the Shakers. The Catholic church therefore makes an exception if you're having sex only to procreate and you try not to enjoy it very much. There were Protestant sects that use to use a sheet with a little hole in it to have sex, so that the people wouldn't be tempted to lust after each other.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('turner', 'T')he point is that both men and women in our society may need to change their roles and there is no reason to suggest these women are any less capable than their husbands in making the transition.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')You seem to be claiming they would find it easier and more interesting to be prostitutes than to learn permaculture or any other useful new skill.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')hat's why Catholic priests, for example, aren't supposed to marry.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'A')nd for men not fit for physically strenuous jobs/military service and not bright enough to do very sparse professional job Mother Nature has quite nasty, slow death in store.
That is how huge numbers of Russian men are ending up right now and there is nothing wrong with it.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')What also would be a question mark would be just what percentage of the population actually has to die off worldwide before some sort of recovery might take place, assuming the ecosystem doesn't continue to deteriorate from feedback loops related to global warming. It would seem to me that at the 20-30% mark it might be possible to restabilize, but more likely right now as I see it we are looking at closer to an 80% die off over say the next 5 years.

[turner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')But in case of women such transition will usually involve return to houseviving.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'Y')ou conclusion is correct if dieoff is caused by low tech warfare on global scale.

However this scenario is unlikely.

If dieoff is caused by disease then slightly more females will survive - they are a bit more immune by biology and also look better for their health.
In case of famine more men will survive - brute force helps to secure food.

So in typical famine/disease/loss of fertility scenario (natural dieoff) you will end up with smaller but ballanced population.
Nature has equal opportunities policy.

Total atomic war would also deliver equal opportunity policy.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('turner', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')But in case of women such transition will usually involve return to houseviving.

[turner]

Most of us women with external employment continue to perform the lion share of the domestic duties - hence my laugh about the 'return' to housework. Sure in the future there will be less machinery to ease the process but then if we only have one job to do that won't be so bad. Yes, drudgery but there will be plenty of male occupations in that category.

I'm not sure about your experience in the US but for most families I know the restaurant meal is still fairly infrequent even for those earning a good income. There is more convenience food to buy now but I personally wouldn't eat that cr*p and wouldn't serve it to anyone else.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', 'P')riests did marry in the earlier versions of the Catholic church. Also, views on human sexuality within Christianity are diverse. The popular "Puritanical" form found in America is not the only form. If you check out Humanae Vitae, the Church has a lot of good things to say about sex (yes, even sex that does not or cannot produce children). They just don't agree with 1) the contraceptive view of sex 2) the use of hormonal birth control which seeks to alter or damage an otherwise functional system in the body.

[deMolay]

You sound bitter Turner?

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')Paul had huge hang ups WRT sex. That has echoed through centuries of Christian theology.