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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 03:09:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I')'ve met many during my career. I met Gloda Meir when I was a junior diplomat as well as Margaret Thatcher later. I have correspondence with Mary McAleese and Helen Clark.

Julia Tymoshenko of Ukraine is probably current "toughest one" or at least there is a lot of noise about her in context of power struggle.
Russians are jumping out of joy while observing that.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Fredrik » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 04:22:47

I agree with the OP, at least to some extent. There will still be lots of extramarital sex, but it will be more stigmatized than now. I'm fairly sure that social values will generally turn back in most countries after the affluent, hedonist consumption lifestyle has vanished and material scarcity has set in. Hard work and denial of one's physical desires will be major virtues. I will miss condoms though.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby IslandCrow » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 04:32:58

I heard recently that the rise of the monastic movement in Europe came at a time of rapidly rising population. Single sex colonies were one way of providing a living for the younger siblings of the richer families.

I suppose this is one way of dealing with too many children.

An alternative would be to send the younger sons to the army (and make sure there are plenty of wars), allowing only the older to keep the family farm.

Or will population numbers could be bought down (over time) by encouraging sex but not providing treatment for STDs or HIV.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Ayoob » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 04:33:31

There's always the dirtstar.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Quinny » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 04:48:18

Not a term I'm familiar with but think I've worked it out! Took me a while, but then LMAO. :)
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Ayoob » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 04:56:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'N')ot a term I'm familiar with but think I've worked it out! Took me a while, but then LMAO. :)
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 05:02:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '&')lt;i>That is because most of women jobs at the moment are a kind of "value added" activities</i>

I think you are probably lucky you are not saying this in person. You would be speaking in a higher octave in short order.

The women I know would have your balls served up as an appetizer.


If you want to understand how women become chattel in a world of diminishing resources, you really only have to look at the Harems of Islamic culture and the Polygamy of the Mormons.

As you have to fight more for survival, more young men are conscripted to military service. They die on the battlefield, sent their by the older men in control of the society. The women left behind are gathered together as the sheep are gathered together, and those in power procreate with them.

In the Mormon model, you go out to uncleared land and the young men are sent out to build their farms from scratch. If they succeed in clearing land and building a successful farm, they are rewarded with a wife. Mnay do not succeed of course, they never get any wives.

In our techno society, women are just about as good as men as techno warriors, they can fly jets just as well of course. However, as it devolves downward here and becomes a test of physical strength on the battlefield, for the most part most women INCLUDING Condaleeza Rice won't do too well. Xena Warrior Princess and the Isle of Lesbos notwithstanding, for the most part on a historical level women have not fared well trying to be the dominant force overtly, but rather through their control as breeders and mothers for fighting men have been able to exert their leadership over a society at some times. Cleopatra, Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth I, Indira Ghandi could provide you with some examples of how women have either functioned as whores, wives or mothers to provide a leadership role for a society. Elizabeth though would be the only one I can think of that kept herself in control without dependence that much on men below her, even Cleopatra needed Marc Antony to sustain her power and eventually lost her control to him. My opinion for Elizabeth I was that the Duke of Essex was quite the pawn in her games, and she kept her independence. the only historical Queen though I can identify who might have done so.

As we devolve downward here, it remains to be seen just how the Battle of the Sexes plays itself out. My guess would be in the short term at least, women will not fair too well, but then neither will the men. Which is worse, being forced into prostituiton, or forced out onto the battlefield as cannon fodder? Neither of these are particularly good outcomes for either gender.

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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Ayame » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 07:39:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ')In the Mormon model, you go out to uncleared land and the young men are sent out to build their farms from scratch. If they succeed in clearing land and building a successful farm, they are rewarded with a wife. Mnay do not succeed of course, they never get any wives.


I read that lately the older men have been literally dumping the young men at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere and telling them to get lost and never come back so they could have all the young pretty girls to themselves back home at the mormon paedo ranch.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 08:07:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'M')y opinion for Elizabeth I was that the Duke of Essex was quite the pawn in her games, and she kept her independence. the only historical Queen though I can identify who might have done so.

You forgot about Catherine II of Russia.

Nevertheless I agree with you in overall.

There will be few exceptions at any given time for sure, but average feminine life in the future will prove to be about kitchen, bathroom, bedroom and for unfortunate majority it will also include hard and boring work on family farm.
All that "freedom" or "empowerment" will be all over.

In short/medium term truly huge numbers of women will have to join prostitution trade and that is because once these clerical and other "value added" jobs are gone it is really sad to realize that they are not really good for anything else. 8O

Those fit and determined or those with close and loving families will escape this fate, but we are only talking about small minority here (10% of those below 30?... maybe 15%).

Perhaps some Wallmart babes will also get away. Fat, ugly and simply not fit to be prostitutes.

These considerations are naturally applicable for women from widely understood West.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 09:39:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '[')b]
In short/medium term truly huge numbers of women will have to join prostitution trade and that is because once these clerical and other "value added" jobs are gone it is really sad to realize that they are not really good for anything else.


Wow, just, wow. What an attitude.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Mesuge » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 10:02:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he women I know personally are physicians, diplomats, and world leaders.


I hope these are not the same stock as Nancy Pelosi, Condi Rice or that witch Albright-Korbel, as renown pack of mass killers they all hardly qualify as women nor world leaders, at least in my book..
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby turner » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 10:40:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
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In short/medium term truly huge numbers of women will have to join prostitution trade and that is because once these clerical and other "value added" jobs are gone it is really sad to realize that they are not really good for anything else. 8O



You must be mixing in the wrong circles if you think that's all women do. Today I went to my dentist and my doctor both of whom are women. I spoke to my three sister-in-laws (lawyer,teacher,house painter/signwriter) and two girlfriends (accountant, writer/journo). On any given other day I would have contact with several women with 'useful' occupations.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 10:58:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he women I know personally are physicians, diplomats, and world leaders.


I hope these are not the same stock as Nancy Pelosi, Condi Rice or that witch Albright-Korbel, as renown pack of mass killers they all hardly qualify as women nor world leaders, at least in my book..


Pelosi a "mass killer"? More like a wimp.

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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 11:35:47

PO == the end of sex?

You are stating that PO is the same as "the end of sex"

Thus, if you stop having sex you are creating PO
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 12:11:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '[')b]
In short/medium term truly huge numbers of women will have to join prostitution trade and that is because once these clerical and other "value added" jobs are gone it is really sad to realize that they are not really good for anything else.


Wow, just, wow. What an attitude.

OK, what would you do with that countless clerical staff, with receptionists, cleaners, Wall Mart staff, care takers, psychologists etc.

And all of these want to run easy, consumerist lifestyles.

And no, most of these have no interest in permaculture whatsoever.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 12:18:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('turner', '
')You must be mixing in the wrong circles if you think that's all women do. Today I went to my dentist and my doctor both of whom are women. I spoke to my three sister-in-laws (lawyer,teacher,house painter/signwriter) and two girlfriends (accountant, writer/journo). On any given other day I would have contact with several women with 'useful' occupations.

House painter, signwriter and accountant are between jobs at very high risk, if you want to analyze implications of societal collapse or involuntary powerdown.

And journalist will have to be a very good one and struggle very much to keep afloat.

Lawyers who deals with conveyancing may well pack up right now but these who are specialized in bankruptcy proceeding or criminal justice will carry on for a while.

Dentist is perhaps safe and doctor... that depends what she can actually do.
Impoverished peoples will not attend these very often and if so, only in absolute necessity.
Nevertheless these professions are perhaps safe.

Really, think about that. :)
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby cube » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 12:30:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he women I know personally are physicians, diplomats, and world leaders.
Cid lets be brutally honest here.
You are talking about the minority.
If you're *trying* to claim that the distribution of all high paying jobs are split 50 / 50 amongst men and women then you are living in a fantasy world.
Men make more money then women (always have and always will).
The most common way for a women to achieve financial success is to be born beautiful and then marry rich.

*dodges all the flying tomatos*

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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 12:33:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')Men make more money then women (always have and always will).
The most common way for a women to achieve financial success is to be born beautiful and then marry rich.

...and then they have to divorce :-D
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby Falconoffury » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 13:44:18

Us guys had better get our vasectomies now, before the cost skyrockets.
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Re: PO == the end of sex

Unread postby charliebrownout » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 15:47:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'H')umans have been having responsible sex, irresponsible sex, upside down, inside out, and every other kind of sex, since way before history. No one wants to picture their grandparents having sex. For the same reason, every generation assumes that sexual irresponsibility is something new with the youth. It's not. There were fathers having a fit and threatening to club some poor boy to death when he brought their daughter back to the cave after curfew.

Sex isn't going away. Neither are prostitution or abortion. In 2000 years of trying Christianity hasn't managed to stamp out sex yet and it's not likely to. Never forget. You exist today because people 10,000 years ago had sex.


I don't think Christianity has been trying to stamp out sex--maybe some sects have, but not as a whole. Christian does not equate to Shaker. The Shakers haven't been around for a long time. Although, their methods do remind me of those insipid VHEMT folks in terms of getting new members (adoption, conversion only).

This reminds me of a cartoon I saw a while back. It pictured this aging-boomer shouting about how her generation invented sex. I wish I could find it and post it. Anyone else seen that one??

As for premarital sex: All I have to say is, if you've got the possibility of bringing a child into the world involved in any particular act, having a binding contract beforehand doesn't sound like a BAD idea.

But, that's just me.

You know, the whole "why buy the cow" question.

I don't view previous generations of people as "stupid"...unless you count the Boomers. There seems to be a larger than average collection of idiots in that group. I think that just has to do with the large numbers involved, though.
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