[cube]

I believe that society's social norms can be greatly influenced by of course the economy.
For example "sex before marriage" was strictly forbidden in many earlier societies.
Remember there was no social welfare for the poor back in those days.
The concept of equal pay for equal work for both sexes didn't really exist either.
And finally if that wasn't enough, most high paying or even decent paying jobs were closed off to women.

In such an environment, a young lady who engaged in premarital sex and had the unfortunate experience of choosing an unreliable lover would soon be in a world of financial pain beyond any imagination.
I think after PO pushes the economy back 100 years we're going to see the end of the sexual revolution.
Once the economy contracts and there's only 1 job for every 2 people will it be evenly distributed between both sexes?...doubtful!
Limiting sex to after marriage would not be an act of social conservatism, it simply makes economic sense.

my 2 cents...

[HEADER_RACK]

GOD LET"S HOPE NOT!!! I'm an Uber doomer and never did I think things would get that bad!!!!! Whats the point now ?
*SIGH* all those preps wasted... no reason to live

[katkinkate]

History won't be rewound literally back to previous conditions, morals, philosophy and all, and the developments of the previous 4 hundred years won't be totally forgotten. For humanity to lose that much, population would have to crash quite quickly to very low numbers (10-100's thousands) spread out into isolated small groups. Even then it could take several generations for us to lose it all.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'H')istory won't be rewound literally back to previous conditions, morals, philosophy and all, and the developments of the previous 4 hundred years won't be totally forgotten. For humanity to lose that much, population would have to crash quite quickly to very low numbers (10-100's thousands) spread out into isolated small groups. Even then it could take several generations for us to lose it all.

[RonMN]

PO isn't the end of sex...but perhaps the end of IRRISPONSIBLE sex. (and don't couple it with equal pay for equal work...that's a different subject alltogether).

If you have sex (male or female) you might have a child...it's been that way for thousands of years.

But wait...you don't want it to be that way...well, grow the fu*k up.

If you have a child under PO conditions, that child might starve to death without our entitled food stamps...Yup, that's correct...grow the fu*k up.

But that means we can't just do anybody, any time, any where...Gee, maybe the old timers had a point! grow the fu*k up!

Mommy, what is "personal responsibility"?

I don't know dear, I think it's one of those right wing propaganda commercials.

[Spanktron9]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'G')OD LET"S HOPE NOT!!! I'm an Uber doomer and never did I think things would get that bad!!!!! Whats the point now ?
*SIGH* all those preps wasted... no reason to live

[Denny]

I don't think oil will be so precious in any future state that we won't be afford to spare some to make latex, or transport natural latex for that matter, for condoms.

I am in favor actually of the old fashioned norms, but I don't think my point of view is widely held.

[smallpoxgirl]

Humans have been having responsible sex, irresponsible sex, upside down, inside out, and every other kind of sex, since way before history. No one wants to picture their grandparents having sex. For the same reason, every generation assumes that sexual irresponsibility is something new with the youth. It's not. There were fathers having a fit and threatening to club some poor boy to death when he brought their daughter back to the cave after curfew.

Sex isn't going away. Neither are prostitution or abortion. In 2000 years of trying Christianity hasn't managed to stamp out sex yet and it's not likely to. Never forget. You exist today because people 10,000 years ago had sex.

[mos6507]

If it is the end of sex, then maybe that would solve our overshoot problem once and for all.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')f it is the end of sex, then maybe that would solve our overshoot problem once and for all.

[Quinny]

As we're all now wan.. sorry bankers - we'll be at it all the time.

[Cid_Yama]

smallpoxgirl wrote:

<i>There were fathers having a fit and threatening to club some poor boy to death when he brought their daughter back to the cave after curfew.</i>

I thank God I never had daughters. There would be gravesites gracing my backyard.

[EnergyUnlimited]

I disagree with cube on this account.

In environment of societal collapse you will see rather more, not less sex. You will also see much more STD, though.

One of driving forces will be women joining prostitution trade, just to make ends meet.

That is because most of women jobs at the moment are a kind of "value added" activities, which society really can live without.

Think about paper shuffling in offices of all sort, reception lady jobs, all those jobs requiring "high interpersonal skills" etc.
These jobs are first to go and ladies who are doing them now are simply not fit and usually not willing to engage in physically exhausting activities.

So sorry, cube, but I think that one of first outcomes of societal collapse will be a plenty of hookers everywhere.

If you have a young daughter, then bad luck.

[Cid_Yama]

<i>That is because most of women jobs at the moment are a kind of "value added" activities</i>

I think you are probably lucky you are not saying this in person. You would be speaking in a higher octave in short order.

The women I know would have your balls served up as an appetizer.

[Madpaddy]

SPG wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')umans have been having responsible sex, irresponsible sex, upside down, inside out, and every other kind of sex, since way before history.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')The women I know would have your balls served up as an appetizer.

[Cid_Yama]

The women I know personally are physicians, diplomats, and world leaders.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he women I know personally are physicians, diplomats, and world leaders.

[Cid_Yama]

No, Condie is not one of my friends. Nice guess though. She's the younger generation, and the other party. Good example though.

[Cid_Yama]

I've met many during my career. I met Golda Meir when I was a junior diplomat as well as Margaret Thatcher later. I have correspondence with Mary McAleese and Helen Clark.