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Would the Native Americans have screwed up as royally?

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America wasn't screwed up
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby Pops » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:07:09

Naw, population matters.

I ain't going to look up population in NM 100 years ago but I'd bet it's bigger now.
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:10:07

Population changes everything; what the Native Americans were able to do; can not be done with the present populations.
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And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:22:22

Native farming cultures here in the US did very well. Just ask the Anasazi. LOL.

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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby gnm » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:32:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'N')aw, population matters.

I ain't going to look up population in NM 100 years ago but I'd bet it's bigger now.


The population in the valley I am in is the same as it was 300 years ago.

Theres no doubt that in the major cities there is no point in studying this but it does apply to small permaculture type farmsteads.

RE - Yes the Anasazi are a good example of overshoot. Their microclimate change was aggravated by stripping the surrounding mesas of large trees and partly due to the tenuous nature of the climate in the location in general.

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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 21:35:37

Not sure why the information wouldn't be useful, for finding edible natives on your land or planting them in your garden.
Edible natives planted in my gardens/"yard":
Cattails
Spineless Prickly pear
Turk's cap
Amaranth
Wild onion
Prairie crabapple
Pecan
Sotol

Edibles growing wild on our land:
Persimmon
Prickly pear
Hackberry
Rusty Blackhaw

Edibles from similar ecosystems:
Calochortus
Agave
Brodaeia

I'm probably forgetting some...
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 01:24:05

BTW, speaking of native plants, I suppose everyone has watched this series by now?

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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby Ayoob » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 04:42:05

To me, it's much more important to study how they lost the entire continent of North America.
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby allenwrench » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 09:28:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')ot sure why the information wouldn't be useful, for finding edible natives on your land or planting them in your garden.
--snip--I'm probably forgetting some...

I am a survivalist. Am looking for survival lessons from the Indians and not farming info so much.
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby allenwrench » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 09:35:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'T')o me, it's much more important to study how they lost the entire continent of North America.


Check out DVDs:

American Experience - The Way West: How the West Was Lost & Won, 1845-1893
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