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Would the Native Americans have screwed up as royally?

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America wasn't screwed up
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby biofuel13 » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 21:38:41

Baffling, intriguing, shocking and scary!


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And it also makes me a bit jealous that they were able to reach a level of oneness with the universe to receive this info. It is a level that I have yet to achieve.
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 22:33:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('biofuel13', 'B')affling, intriguing, shocking and scary!


I was going to comment something very similar, you beat me to it. Emphasis on scary!

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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 22:41:41

By the way - I imagine that VisionMaster already knows this, but for others - there are 3 Hopi prophecies chanted in the movie Koyaanisquatsi:

* "If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
* "Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
* "A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby biofuel13 » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 22:43:31

Koy--

If this thread is interesting to you, I can't say enough how great the book is. Go pick it up!
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 22:47:37

Thanks, Biofuel, I think I will - with some trepidation! 8O
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 23:19:07

Wow, the amazon critics mostly panned this book though. I'm particularly concerned about this one:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') read this book in preparation for a three and a half day trip to Hopiland a couple of years ago. What an eye-opening surprise. Thomas Mails has an awkward, rushed quality to his text, but I forgave him for stylistic rough spots in light of the urgency of his message that Hopi prophecy must come to light. How do the Hopi respond? With groans. With anger and resentment. I spoke to at least a dozen Hopi, all of whom consider Mails an intruder, one who invaded their culture and plundered it for his own profit and professional advancement. 'There's a pattern to what he does,' they pointed out. 'Mails finds a so-called 'last living repository' of traditional wisdom, interviews him and presents this material as speaking for the whole tribe.' Dan Evahema is one, and there are others who have been the sources of Mails' wanderings. Dan Evahema did not hold a position of authority among the Hopi; he just happened to be available for the interview. There are clan distinction which Mails does not recognize in his book which mean quite a lot to the Hopi, who in fact don't wish these clan distinctions to be anybody else's reading material in the first place. I wasn't prepared for the thoroughly disgusted reaction to this book among every single Hopi I met. 'Nuff said. It reminds me of Vine DeLoria's point at the end of chapter one of _Custer Died For Your Sins_, in which he says he would like to see a cultural leave-us-alone treaty.


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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 23 Jun 2008, 08:44:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Koyaanisqatsi', 'W')ow, the amazon critics mostly panned this book though. I'm particularly concerned about this one:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') read this book in preparation for a three and a half day trip to Hopiland a couple of years ago. What an eye-opening surprise. Thomas Mails has an awkward, rushed quality to his text, but I forgave him for stylistic rough spots in light of the urgency of his message that Hopi prophecy must come to light. How do the Hopi respond? With groans. With anger and resentment. I spoke to at least a dozen Hopi, all of whom consider Mails an intruder, one who invaded their culture and plundered it for his own profit and professional advancement. 'There's a pattern to what he does,' they pointed out. 'Mails finds a so-called 'last living repository' of traditional wisdom, interviews him and presents this material as speaking for the whole tribe.' Dan Evahema is one, and there are others who have been the sources of Mails' wanderings. Dan Evahema did not hold a position of authority among the Hopi; he just happened to be available for the interview. There are clan distinction which Mails does not recognize in his book which mean quite a lot to the Hopi, who in fact don't wish these clan distinctions to be anybody else's reading material in the first place. I wasn't prepared for the thoroughly disgusted reaction to this book among every single Hopi I met. 'Nuff said. It reminds me of Vine DeLoria's point at the end of chapter one of _Custer Died For Your Sins_, in which he says he would like to see a cultural leave-us-alone treaty.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D'). M. Taibi says:
I knew Grandfather Dan when I lived in Arizona. Although I am Lakota and Metis, I consider him to be one of my greatest mentors for his genuine clarity and lack of bias. This review is just ludicrous, a statement from someone who is not an American Indian who has not lived with, or talked to, the principals in this issue. Walk a mile in my moccasins, A Customer!
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby Ronin » Mon 23 Jun 2008, 11:13:15

Hey vision, is 2012 and a pole shift a part any of these prophecy.

Great stuff :)
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 23 Jun 2008, 13:50:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ronin', 'H')ey vision, is 2012 and a pole shift a part any of these prophecy.

Great stuff :)


I'm not that far yet. Got another 100 pages of the good stuff to read. I've just been taking little bites at a time from the book.
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Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Mon 23 Jun 2008, 16:53:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')Comment to review...........


Thanks - I had never noticed the comments sections before.
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Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 12:29:03

pt 1 - Native American Prophecy - Red Elk
FYI: there are about 15 parts - pretty lengthy
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 12:40:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYq1J9frWyc]pt 1 - Native American Prophecy - Red Elk[/url] FYI: there are about 15 parts - pretty lengthy

If you don't have time to watch all 15 videos, here is a concise summary of Red Elks prophecies, in his own words:

"Here is what I was shown:
A great gasoline "drought". This happened immediately after the Viet Nam war.

Car factories closed. Iron factories closed. Both have happened.

Drought and floods.. in this now.

Turmoil of weather.. in this now.

North America with many earthquakes.. in this now. AND TO ESCALATE TO MAMMOTH ONES!

Odd diseases. AIDS - Others: Occurring NOW.

Hospitals filled to capacity due to disease and government experiments.. Still to be.

Death, so GREAT train box cars haul thousands of bodys to put in the Dakota badlands - using the Auroras as burial places. Almost all dead come from the East. Yet to happen.

Children "protected" - evacuated to government safe places. Still to be.

Crops killed by insects and drought. In process now, and will escalate.

HOT! Unbelievably so! Yet to be.

Giant winds - renegade storms. Doing so now will escalate.

Ice/snow storms, East Southeast area - Freezing as we've never known it to do. MANY die. Showing signs of this now.

Weather in general - CRAZY. Doing so now.

The following are yet to be, unless otherwise indicated:
Steaming waters - rivers / lakes.

Sky turns "mad" - can't be explained.

Blisters and open sores - blindness. MASSIVE.

Hair falling out - in clumps.

Gagging on food / drinks. Choking.

GREAT fear in all people in North America.

Lung / breathing problems. In process now.

Animals / fish / birds disappearing into oblivion - near extinction.

WAR ON OUR SOIL - five armies (nations) doing so. We lose. To be and probably within the next five years - or sooner.

Starvation.

Cannibalization.

Great race upheaval in North America - civil war between races.

Citizens against government - local to national.

A general mass "madness".

USA military gone amuck. Raping / killing / stealing.

Fights over water.

"Road warriors" - guns rule.

Military and road warriors clash.

HATE and FEAR rule. In process now.

Christian churches fail. In process now.

Stealth type murders. Doing so now.

Mass murders. Doing so now.

Adults losing control - kids "lord" over them. Doing so now.

Hawaiian Islands RISE.

Coasts of USA to sink.

HUGE earthquakes / winds.

Sky turns dark.

Sky turns red (days and nights).

HUGE meteorite hits ocean off of our coast.

Sky filled with red hot burning rocks.

Survivors of war - refugees go to upper Minnesota to escape.

Creator 'slaps' away occupying armies. All flee.

Military hidden UNDERGROUND emergency weapons.

Politicians escaping underground. Tunnels / bases try to regain leadership - most rejected and run off.

Women take an active place in ruling what's left. EQUAL.

666 number comes into play. To be. (in progress now)

Believers hunted for bounty of $ or water.

Creator feeds / waters His 'children' via birds etc.

Two raptures - first one (man / alien made) is false.

Demonic / alien activities increase. Doing so now.

GREAT economic depression - far bigger than the 30's. Christians blamed for this. Believer's children mocked and beaten by schoolyard peers due to the depression.

Many 'good' escape into caves and tunnels and LOWER. In process now - but very limited.

"Openings" held secret by Native Americans start to get opened / activated by them. Doing so now. Will escalate.

Sacred Native American KNOWLEGE will be given to ALL. In process now.

Eventually Armageddon. In process now.

Year 2012 only end of known possibility. Too many possibilities to know which path mankind will take. Myans gave up. To be known at the time.

World civilizations cease. Few left. Interbreeding of all races making one color - one language.

One thousand years of peace.

Earth's people return to same as now - and worse.

Mankind volunteers to be 'borg-like' (machine like). Emotions snuffed out by technology.

No more wars due to this near robotic state of being. (No more "LIFE" - spontaneity)

Rebels remain 'natural'.

A great revival occurs away from borgdom.

Earth is destroyed around 4023. 'Judgement Day' occurs just before Earth is destroyed.

Afterlife occurs for the good and the bad, who are each congregated together. "

--Red Elk
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 12:43:37

Golem may be gone, but Vision-Master continues his habit of posting this kind of stuff in the open forum rather than OOTW.
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 12:45:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYq1J9frWyc]pt 1 - Native American Prophecy - Red Elk[/url]FYI: there are about 15 parts - pretty lengthy

If you don't have time to watch all 15 videos, here is a concise summary of Red Elks prophecies, in his own words:
"Here is what I was shown: ... --snip--
Afterlife occurs for the good and the bad, who are each congregated together. " --Red Elk

Thanks for the summary. :cool:
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 20:21:41

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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby Roccland » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 22:00:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYq1J9frWyc]pt 1 - Native American Prophecy - Red Elk[/url] FYI: there are about 15 parts - pretty lengthy

If you don't have time to watch all 15 videos, here is a concise summary of Red Elks prophecies, in his own words:
"Here is what I was shown:
A great gasoline "drought". This happened immediately after the Viet Nam war. --snip--
Afterlife occurs for the good and the bad, who are each congregated together. " --Red Elk

Of your 5625 posts of drivel... This one was enjoyed.

Thanks bro.
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 22:05:40

FYI: look for the "new" earthquake thread I just posted. Red Elk talks about this kind of quake in his vision. He say's the flood water will reach Spokane, Wa.
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby jboogy » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 00:07:10

Tends to lean a little towards the negative don't he? Nothing about air conditioning, pornography, sports on TV, kobe beef or sonic java chillers. All doom-n-gloom, didn't dude ever have a good vision?
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 09:11:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'T')ends to lean a little towards the negative don't he? Nothing about air conditioning, pornography, sports on TV, kobe beef or sonic java chillers. All doom-n-gloom, didn't dude ever have a good vision?


The "good" you talk about he calls 666 and admits he's weak just like the rest of us.

Yes, the good vision is after the "two" raptures.

The world will end (be no longer) in about 2,000 years. :razz:
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby manu » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 10:14:40

Pretty optimistic. The astrologer I went to also said that things will get worse untill 2012. The earth will be around for alot longer than 2.000 years though. But after 10,000 years of the golden age, it gets really bad for the next 410,000 years.
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