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Would the Native Americans have screwed up as royally?

Yes
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No
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America wasn't screwed up
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 10:19:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'P')retty optimistic. The astrologer I went to also said that things will get worse untill 2012. The earth will be around for alot longer than 2.000 years though. But after 10,000 years of the golden age, it gets really bad for the next 410,000 years.


Dosen't the Bible talk about 1,000 years of peace with no futher information after?
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 10:26:03

Safe Zones in Blue
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby Byron100 » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 11:02:14

Oh crud...I guess my goose is cooked now, as both where I live now (Atlanta) and where I want to live someday (upstate New York) are not in the blue zones.

Of course, there's the family farm in east TN I could escape to...but that area is full of Christians, which will be unmercifully hunted down and killed. :?

A guy just can't win...LOL. I'll just enjoy each day is it comes. :wink:
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 12:17:22

I guess I had the right idea considering a bugout in northern New England :)
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 13:15:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')afe Zones in Blue
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Alaska AND Hawaii both look bad. Darn.
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby Maddog78 » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 14:25:32

Hmmm, funny enough the yellow zones seem to end at nearly the Canadian border.
Well, except for Southern Ontario.
Goodbye Toronto.
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby JPL » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 18:33:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')afe Zones in Blue See map vision-master's post

Holy sh!t VM this is good stuff..
I don't suppose you've got one for the UK? I've had some dreams etc. myself about a certain place I should go to but it's such a remote location that I'm having a lot of problems justifying it to the wife. In fact that's understating it by about 10 to the power of a banking bail-out. All feedback welcome...
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 19:13:11

Sorry, I have no info for across the pond.
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby timmac » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 03:57:11

What is that map trying to show us, what are the yellow areas, why is the blue areas only the safe areas, it seems really odd that there is such little areas that are only safe.

Way to doom for me.
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 07:43:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he following are yet to be, unless otherwise indicated:
Steaming waters - rivers / lakes.
Sky turns "mad" - can't be explained.
Blisters and open sores - blindness. MASSIVE.
Hair falling out - in clumps.
Gagging on food / drinks. Choking.

That's nuclear blast with a tipical "flash" and a leftover radiation poisoning. Shiite. Shiit!! When was it said? If before 1945, I am moving my ass to Argentina. Will Argentina be ok?
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 08:37:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he following are yet to be, unless otherwise indicated: Steaming waters - rivers / lakes.
Sky turns "mad" - can't be explained.
Blisters and open sores - blindness. MASSIVE.
Hair falling out - in clumps.
Gagging on food / drinks. Choking.
That's nuclear blast with a tipical "flash" and a leftover radiation poisoning. Shiite. Shiit!! When was it said? If before 1945, I am moving my ass to Argentina. Will Argentina be ok?

Red Elk fasted for like two Months (juice and vitimans only) around 1972/ 73. That's when he had these great-visions. They happened during his normal day and they would last for about an hour a day for three days If I remember correctly?
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby JustaGirl » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 13:31:32

VM - What does this quote mean..

"Openings" held secret by Native Americans start to get opened / activated by them. Doing so now. Will escalate.

What are openings?
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Re: Native American Prophecy - Red Elk

Unread postby JPL » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 15:16:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustaGirl', 'V')M - What does this quote mean?: "Openings" held secret by Native Americans start to get opened / activated by them. Doing so now. Will escalate. What are openings?

Oh that bit's easy. What he is basically talking about is a Shamanic Journey - not all of it is to taken literally. The 'openings' are symbolic entrances into the spirit/under world into which non Native-Americans can now go (on invitation).

It means, in plain English, that they will share with us their knowledge (if we wish it) of tradition, ritual, nature-magic etc. This might help us with our own (Christian) spiritual crisis (symbolised by the boiling skies) but first we have to cast off our own beliefs and go through a death/rebirth experience (the burial in the ground and rebirth through a firey world is an easy to interpret Shamanic theme).

It's actually pretty good stuff, I like it, I think this guy is really trying to reach out to people like us and explain in simple methaphorical terms how dire our own crisis really is. But you also have to be able to interpret the underlying message (grin).
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Learning from the Indians

Unread postby allenwrench » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 13:09:34

Some members talk about studying what the Indians ate.

What book or net sources do you have for learning how they survived?
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby Spanktron9 » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 13:17:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'S')ome members talk about studying what the Indians ate.

What book or net sources do you have for learning how they survived?


Tom Brown's Field guides.
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:04:54

My favorite for my region is "Edible and Useful Plants of Texas and the Southwest" by Delena Tull.

Scooter Cheatham has published a comprehensive series of expensive books about all the useful plants of Texas, but I do not own his books. Tull references him frequently in her book.
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:23:22

For plains Indians, all of Mari Sandoz books are phenomenal.
"We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby patience » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 17:06:30

I asked a Native American friend about that some years ago. With a grin, he said they ate whatever didn't eat them first!
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby Pops » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 17:26:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'S')ome members talk about studying what the Indians ate.
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I ain't no mathematician or historian but one thing I know is things have changed over the last several hundred years.

What the Indians did don't matter for you - maybe your grandkids but you need to get them along in todays' world first.

Get over it and get a plan for today.
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Re: Learning from the Indians

Unread postby gnm » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 17:38:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') ain't no mathematician or historian but one thing I know is things have changed over the last several hundred years.

What the Indians did don't matter for you - maybe your grandkids but you need to get them along in todays' world first.

Get over it and get a plan for today.


Thats a little narrow. Farming practices of the Pueblos here in NM are a very good study for NOW permaculture schemes (at least as pertains to NM). As well as studying hunting and seasonal wild food gathering practices (pinon pine nuts, for instance).

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