[dunewalker]

To veer slightly back on topic, my buddy & I used to bicycle out to Otay Lakes to fish--we were around 8 or 9 years old. It was about a 10 mile ride, so we'd leave at 3am. Once we got stopped by the cops way out on Telegraph Canyon Road, pitch black out, no lights. "You kids running away from home, eh?" "No, sir, we're going fishin"!" "Well, ok then...". Still on topic, sort of, but from a different angle: my maternal grandfather was the train station master over the hill in Lemon Grove & helped build the giant lemon there. I inherited his pocket watch from those days. Hell, just where did you want this thread to go?

[vision-master]

I worked in Corrections for 10 years.

The peeps running the place are sicker than the inmates.

[dunewalker]

PMS, didn't the Harris Fire make quick work of your beloved chaparral? Remember the wild tree tobacco, lemonade berry, Tecate Cypress?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', ' ')"Well, ok then...". Still on topic, sort of, but from a different angle: my maternal grandfather was the train station master over the hill in Lemon Grove & helped build the giant lemon there. I inherited his pocket watch from those days. Hell, just where did you want this thread to go?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'P')MS, didn't the Harris Fire make quick work of your beloved chaparral? Remember the wild tree tobacco, lemonade berry, Tecate Cypress?

[Eli]

Vision-master prison is definitely not the place you want to be post peak.

This is getting back to something PMS said, my bet is there are going to be plenty of places in the future where cops do not go. There are already places now like that I know, but it is mostly isolated projects and what not. In the future it will be whole parts of town that turn into lawless hell holes.

Really if you are in a bigger city there are already some very bad places that you don't want to be. In the future that problem will just grow bigger.

[Volcanic21]

I think the movie "No Country For Old Men" speaks relevantly to this issue. There's a scene at the end where Tommy Lee Jones is talking about how fucked up the world has become over the preceding decades. Then an even older guy says that it's always been fucked up. I tend to agree more with Jones, though.

I spent a summer doing tree work for the City of Boulder, and got to drive a city truck around town. We filled the gas tank at the city pump, which was also used by the Boulder Police. So I ran into a lot of cops at the pumps, and I have to say I was not impressed by their attitudes. They were all really aloof, and they would ignore me if I said hi or gave a courteous nod-hello. I sympathize, though, with their plight. This is a college town, and CU-Boulder students are by and large Grade A Douchebags. On several occasions I've witnessed drunks asshole college guys yelling out "Pig!" and "I smell bacon!" and other such unoriginal taunts at cops just out walking a beat, not hassling anybody. If I was a cop, after dealing with that shit for a while I'd probably get bitter, moody, and hostile as well. It seems like on both sides, the police and the citizens, there's been a gradual erosion of respect and decency, leading up to our current situation, with cops being feared and hated, and fearing and hating the citizens. I don't really know what I'm talking about, though, so I'll stop typing now.

[PenultimateManStanding]

His name was Harold Lee. He wasn't my biological grandfather because my grandmother remarried. My biological grandfather I never met. He was Bing Crosby's gardener. My grandmother was a dish. She died a few years ago. What a fine lady she was.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Volcanic21', 'I')t seems like on both sides, the police and the citizens, there's been a gradual erosion of respect and decency, leading up to our current situation, with cops being feared and hated, and fearing and hating the citizens. I don't really know what I'm talking about, though, so I'll stop typing now.

[Denny]

I guess there are good and bad apples and always have been. Some people are attracted to police work as it gives them a sense of power and control. Others becuase they can help society that special way.

One experience a friend of mine had, whom I have no reason to disbelieve is scary. He was involved in a protest of some sort back in the early 70's. Another friend of his was being pushed around by a policeman, unfairly so, so my friend made the big mistake of taking on a couple of cops and did some pushing back.

He not only got dragged off to jail, but later was tormented by some cops. He claims they shouted at him in unison "You think you can get away with trying to hurt one of our brothers?", several times. And, then he was pushed to the floor and roughed up, was kicked and punched. He ended up getting locked up in a cell for almost two days. He started worrying that he'd be punished and beaten more as the time wore on, but it was a bit of a mind game. Then they just released hm, complete with bruises. Its like the police had their own justice system for anybody who interfered with them.

Thing is, legally, you can't be locked up for over 24 hours without a hearing. But, he was. And, instead of feeling enough outrage to take the police on, getting a lwayer, etc., he left feeling grateful that he was in one piece. Ever since then, when I hear of suspects in custiody complaning of mis-treatment, I think of him.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')here are no cops of old any more just storm troopers.

[Beignet2]

Folks, pretty soon this will be USA wide.

Get your Beans and Bullets cuz the cops gotta park their cars. . . . .

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... /1055/NEWS


Beignet

[jlw61]

I would say it's as much a matter of irresponsible management as anything else. This story seems to indicate that finding crime to punish would be pretty easy, instead the PTB are coming down on a newspaper instead of the criminals.

Perhaps they aren't charging collecting enough graft on the sex parlors and need to up the rates. Better yet, change a few laws, clean up the industry, tax it properly and you've got a whole new revenue stream!

[Fishman]

Shucks, and here I was expecting a no gun, peaceful utopia post peak. We all must realize that prison systems will also change post peak. I don't think it will be the utopian plans of releasing all those poor inappropriately inprisoned folks. More likely, lots of work from the inmates and a new interpretation of "cruel and unusual punishment" to include a bit more severity in the actual punishment, not in increased years. Williamsburg rules, first conviction, branding, second conviction, hanging. Not a lot of need for prolonged jail terms back then.

[VMarcHart]

Someone posted a few weeks ago a similar situation in the suburbs of Denver. I had noted then, and note again, that there is nothing wrong with walking the beat. Old school.

[Sixstrings]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/ ... ademy.html

Something is very wrong in a society when you can't find cops who don't have a criminal record.

Either we are arresting and prosecuting for too many things, police work doesn't pay enough, or our working class has morally degenerated quite a bit.

Or maybe it's just an Atlanta thing.

Would it conern you if you were pulled over by a cop who had a criminal record for assault?

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'h')ttp://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/10/12/atlanta_police_academy.html

Something is very wrong in a society when you can't find cops who don't have a criminal record.

Either we are arresting and prosecuting for too many things, police work doesn't pay enough, or our working class has morally degenerated quite a bit.

Or maybe it's just an Atlanta thing.

Would it conern you if you were pulled over by a cop who had a criminal record for assault?

[Pretorian]

well, 62% of Atlanta's populace is Negroid, and if Police overthere tries to stuff itself accordingly there is no way to avoid it.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')n Buenos Aires, you pay Protection to the Cops or you become Desaperecido. They of course have to feed their children also.
Reverse Engineer