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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 18:40:25

Theres got to be a logical explanation for this.

Maybe her nose was itchy and she got the handcuffs stuck under her chin as she was stretching to scratch her nose and choked herself to death while she was scratching? :cry:
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 21:56:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')heres got to be a logical explanation for this.

Maybe her nose was itchy and she got the handcuffs stuck under her chin as she was stretching to scratch her nose and choked herself to death while she was scratching? :cry:


Thats if she were cuffed from the front and not from the back, more standard procedure, then she would've had to been Houdini to choke herself assuming she wanted to commit suicide over missing a flight. 8O
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 22:39:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'H')ow the hell does one choke oneself while handcuffed?


Part of my job involves teaching people how to use personal and mechanical restraints.

Lay public like yourself have no idea how dangerous mechanical restraints are.

Tell me about this woman:

* What medicine or chemicals were affecting her physiology?

* Does she have a history of mental illness?

* What medical conditions does she have such as high-blood pressure, heart problems, propensity for aneurysm, etc.?

Do you know what is positional asphyxia?

One thing most people don't understand about personal violence is that sometimes people just die from the simple physical exertion and stress.

I'm not making excuses for cops because I don't much care for them, but sometimes all the crying about "brutality" around here gets ridiculous. Very few people on this forum have ANY idea what authoritarian brutality really is.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 01 Oct 2007, 02:37:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'H')ow the hell does one choke oneself while handcuffed?


Part of my job involves teaching people how to use personal and mechanical restraints.

Lay public like yourself have no idea how dangerous mechanical restraints are.

Tell me about this woman:

* What medicine or chemicals were affecting her physiology?

* Does she have a history of mental illness?

* What medical conditions does she have such as high-blood pressure, heart problems, propensity for aneurysm, etc.?

Do you know what is positional asphyxia?

One thing most people don't understand about personal violence is that sometimes people just die from the simple physical exertion and stress.

I'm not making excuses for cops because I don't much care for them, but sometimes all the crying about "brutality" around here gets ridiculous. Very few people on this forum have ANY idea what authoritarian brutality really is.


Think most of us understand real institutional torture happens in prisons both domestic and abroad so we're only discussing the peculiar reporting of this woman's death at an airport. If it were a physical/mental disability then sure she's not the first to drop in handcuffs, just never heard a similar case before. For certain such weakness won't last long in our post peak present/future.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Mon 01 Oct 2007, 14:30:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '.')..she's not the first to drop in handcuffs, just never heard a similar case before.


It happens a lot more than most people think. It's usually only reported in the local media, so most people don't see it.

Last year in Houston a big, fat shoplifter died from this in a Wal-Mart parking lot. The Wal-Mart "security" people are prohibited from using handcuffs. Their only option to stop the fighting shoplifter was to sit on him to hold him on the ground.

In doing so, they compressed his diaphram. He couldn't breath and suffered a heart attack from the stress. He was very over-weight and middle-age.

Point being: For the sake of "political correctness" this guy DIES because Wal-Mart doesn't want to "look bad" by using mechanical restraints on thieves in their stores.

I get called into examine cases like this and teach the employees how to restrain people without killing them.

The flip side of that coin: In Brazilian Jiu-jitsu we have a concept called "100 Kilos". Check it out...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tNfNh6avg-k& ... 0technique

It purposely compresses the diaphram so as to induce unconciousness. Guys half my size have submitted me with it before I learned the counter. It's very dangerous to perform (even inadvertantly) on weak, out of shape people.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 02:56:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '
')I get called into examine cases like this and teach the employees how to restrain people without killing them.


I suggest Aikido, probably the most non-violent yet most powerful art of submission. The founder Morihei Ueshiba used to dodge bullets both in real life expeditions through Manchuria and in demonstrations later on as a teacher. Unfortunately the art of peace isn't an interest of police, military, or security forces.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 16:33:10

Dude. Really.

Ueshiba was a religious nut.

Aikido is a weekly social for fat, old hippies and not good for much else.

I just saved you a lot of money and time.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby TheTurtle » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 17:18:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'I') suggest Aikido, probably the most non-violent yet most powerful art of submission.
I suggest that if you believe that, then you have never been choked into submission by a feisty BJJ guy. :P $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'T')he founder Morihei Ueshiba used to dodge bullets both in real life expeditions through Manchuria and in demonstrations later on as a teacher.
The founder's biographer wrote that Ueshiba dodged bullets. That is not the same as it being true.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'D')ude. Really.

Ueshiba was a religious nut.


True.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'A')ikido is a weekly social for fat, old hippies and not good for much else.


I would edit that to read "Aikido - as it is generally taught in most places - is a weekly social for fat, old hippies and not good for much else."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'I') just saved you a lot of money and time. Hey, where were you when I started aikido 20 years ago? :P

Seriously, though, I think aikido has value - when properly taught and practiced - but I don't think it is the super martial art that some people think it is. Then again, I don't think any martial art fills that role.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby kadoomsoon » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 22:34:09

Police are necessary to keep criminals under control.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 22:50:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'L')ike the special forces, Blackwater, lumberjack, and police who train at my dojo? Is that what you mean?


Yes, I painted with too broad a brush and got caught. :)

If you pare out all of Ueshiba's hocus-pocus and add in some sparring against fully resisting partners, then yes, some aikido classes can be beneficial.

Problem is, under those circumstances Sensei would have to cut down on the Ben & Jerry's to back up his belt. :)

There are some Yoseikan aikido guys down the road from me who are quite scrappy. Some would occasionally stop by to roll. They had great attitude and good nage-waza.
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Re: A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 13:01:48

The poor woman who died in police custody at the phoenix airport
was handcuffed behind her back, and the handcuffs were attached by a 2 foot chain to a bench. She choked on the 2 foot long chain.

woman dies at Phoenix airport in police custody

I thought police took away belts and such to prevent self-injury. The two foot chain the police used in this case, in hindsight, was lethal.
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Police Don't Like "Rate My Cop" Site

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 00:56:03

The watchers don't like to be watched. Hey I know, let's have secret police.

http://cbs13.com/local/rate.a.cop.2.673410.html
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Re: Police Don't Like "Rate My Cop" Site

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 17:16:25

Godaddy yanked the site and now has a message up telling the owner to contact them


I love it when your webhost works against you instead of with you.
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Re: Police Don't Like "Rate My Cop" Site

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 18:49:25

In my hometown, everyone knew where they cops lived because they threw block parties or coached little league. It's fine in a low crime suburb for information about the addresses of cops to be public knowledge.

If you're a police officer in a dangerous area of LA, I can fully understand wanting to keep one's home address private.

What if a cop arrests a gang member, only to have his family murdered by the other gang members once they google his address?

I'm just saying that I can understand the hesitation to allow the general public to tract down the homes of police officers.
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Re: Police Don't Like "Rate My Cop" Site

Unread postby Stratovarius » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 18:53:46

I agree...Cops should remain anonymous and unknown for the sake of preventing further revenge from disgruntled criminals. Google can be a good or bad thing. :)
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Re: Police Don't Like "Rate My Cop" Site

Unread postby jboogy » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 19:18:03

Public officials paid for by tax dollars. Addresses and phone numbers were not to be listed, names are available anyway, the website got the cops names from publicly accessable databases. They don't want a database where their employers can rate their performance, pure and simple. Funny how they can release your name to newspapers when you get arrested, before you're convicted. Any means to "police" the police is welcome, as far as a snot-riding banana is concerned.
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Police Get Black Uniforms to Instill Sense of 'Fear'

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 30 Apr 2008, 23:45:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]MASSACHUSETTS POLICE GET BLACK UNIFORMS TO INSTILL SENSE OF 'FEAR' Thursday, April 24, 2008:
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (AP)— Springfield's men in black are returning.
The city's new police commissioner, William Fitchet, says members of the department's Street Crime Unit will again don black, military-style uniforms as part of his strategy to deal with youth violence.
Fitchet's predecessor, Edward Flynn, had ditched the black attire as part of an effort to soften the image of the unit. Flynn left Springfield in January to become the police chief in Milwaukee.
Sgt. John Delaney told a city council hearing Wednesday that the stark uniforms send a message to criminals that officers are serious about making arrests.
Delaney said a sense of "fear" has been missing for the past few years. …
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Re: Police Get Black Uniforms to Instill Sense of 'Fear'

Unread postby Denny » Wed 30 Apr 2008, 23:53:58

Does mean parents are going to stop telling their kids that a policeman is their best friend in times of feeling lost or worried?
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Re: Police Get Black Uniforms to Instill Sense of 'Fear'

Unread postby perdition79 » Thu 01 May 2008, 02:07:46

The black uniforms work; by putting on the "fear" costume, the police shift their roles in the community from a public-servant-to-citizen relationship, into a much more predator-to-prey relationship.

All black works for civilians, too. Let your face go unshaven for a few days, then throw on all black clothing, with no labels or decals, don't smile. You'll notice a fear reaction in everybody you deal with.
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Re: Police Get Black Uniforms to Instill Sense of 'Fear'

Unread postby dorlomin » Thu 01 May 2008, 05:46:46

One of the English forces did this a while ago, I think Nottinghamshire or Leicestershire.
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