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Bunkers and the bunker mentality re: issue of peak oil

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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby idiom » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 00:14:35

So I can get all my mates over for a crash party in front of CNBC tonight?

Woo everyone, Arms in the Air, here we goooo

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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Eli » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 00:25:20

Good chance another stick save right after the ultimate 700 billion dollar stick save on Friday will only add to the panic.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby DantesPeak » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 00:34:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ave you wondered why the Treasury asked for a $700 Bn emergency package with the full force of the Fed behind them, and gave the Congress less than a week to deliver it? Either these fellows have lost their nerve or the markets are riding to a fall, and it could be terrific.
We've been looking for some event, something that would have created such an extraordinary set of actions as we have seen in the past few days. This just might be it. Special thanks to Yves Smith for flagging it.
Time to start settling those Credit Default Swaps for Fannie and Freddie (Oct. 6), Lehman Brothers (Oct. 10) and Lehman Brothers (Oct 23).
LIBOR is eight standard deviations from the norm, because the banks don't know who is holding what in their cards, but there might be some Aces and Eights in there. The TED spread is at an all time record high. An insurance company is said to be heavily exposed. Do you need to buy a vowel? Let's hope we get lucky.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:17:58

everything down...almost

gold up $25

The panic has set in.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Heineken » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:27:38

I disagree about the gold part, Rocc. A $25 gain is still a relatively small percent gain.

Overall, gold has underreacted, fantastically, to the unfolding epic events. That could change, but so far I'm stunned by its refusal to move.

I'm beginning to think we really could have deflation (as part of a new depression). It goes against my instincts, but I can't ignore the evidence of my senses.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Niagara » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:34:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') disagree about the gold part, Rocc. A $25 gain is still a relatively small percent gain.
Overall, gold has underreacted, fantastically, to the unfolding epic events. That could change, but so far I'm stunned by its refusal to move. I'm beginning to think we really could have deflation (as part of a new depression). It goes against my instincts, but I can't ignore the evidence of my senses.

A local gold dealer I speak with believes the price is being manipulated and suppressed low while some very powerful players accumulate. Once this phase is over, it's 'to the moon'. Watch for $2500-3000 before you can blink.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:37:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') disagree about the gold part, Rocc. A $25 gain is still a relatively small percent gain. Overall, gold has underreacted, fantastically, to the unfolding epic events. That could change, but so far I'm stunned by its refusal to move. I'm beginning to think we really could have deflation (as part of a new depression). It goes against my instincts, but I can't ignore the evidence of my senses.

Defaltion of most assets. Inflation for food/energy/commodities. High unemployment

Hyperstagflation 500MPH Impact with a dash of Barterism... That's my thesis.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Heineken » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:42:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') disagree about the gold part, Rocc.

A $25 gain is still a relatively small percent gain.

Overall, gold has underreacted, fantastically, to the unfolding epic events. That could change, but so far I'm stunned by its refusal to move.

I'm beginning to think we really could have deflation (as part of a new depression). It goes against my instincts, but I can't ignore the evidence of my senses.


A local gold dealer I speak with believes the price is being manipulated and suppressed low while some very powerful players accumulate. Once this phase is over, it's 'to the moon'. Watch for $2500-3000 before you can blink.


Maybe. I have my doubts. If retail investors have empty pockets they won't be able to buy much gold. So how does the price then go to the moon?

Also, if big powerful buyers are accumulating now, why isn't that driving up the price?
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby ColossalContrarian » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:45:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') disagree about the gold part, Rocc.

A $25 gain is still a relatively small percent gain.

Overall, gold has underreacted, fantastically, to the unfolding epic events. That could change, but so far I'm stunned by its refusal to move.

I'm beginning to think we really could have deflation (as part of a new depression). It goes against my instincts, but I can't ignore the evidence of my senses.


A local gold dealer I speak with believes the price is being manipulated and suppressed low while some very powerful players accumulate. Once this phase is over, it's 'to the moon'. Watch for $2500-3000 before you can blink.


A commodity is only worth what someone will pay for it. Who is going to pay $2500-3000 for an ounce of gold?

What reason is there to supress the price of gold in a deflationary enviroment?
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:47:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') disagree about the gold part, Rocc.

A $25 gain is still a relatively small percent gain.

Overall, gold has underreacted, fantastically, to the unfolding epic events. That could change, but so far I'm stunned by its refusal to move.

I'm beginning to think we really could have deflation (as part of a new depression). It goes against my instincts, but I can't ignore the evidence of my senses.


A local gold dealer I speak with believes the price is being manipulated and suppressed low while some very powerful players accumulate. Once this phase is over, it's 'to the moon'. Watch for $2500-3000 before you can blink.


A commodity is only what someone will pay for it. Who is going to pay $2500-3000 for an ounce of gold?


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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 09:32:42

Down 168

Rate cut...?

Halted?

My guess -

HALTED !!!!
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 09:34:06

Down 275...

Hmmmm....
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby dunewalker » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:00:18

My guess is that today's marching orders for the Plunge Protection Team are to: "Hold the dow above 10,000 at all costs!"
It dropped almost 300 points in the first 3 minutes, only to mysteriously rise from the ashes and bounce around the 9,900-10,100 area. We shall see...
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby ohcomeon » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:18:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'M')y guess is that today's marching orders for the Plunge Protection Team are to: "Hold the dow above 10,000 at all costs!"
It dropped almost 300 points in the first 3 minutes, only to mysteriously rise from the ashes and bounce around the 10,000-10,000 area. We shall see...


They failed... currently at 9976.37

Edit: and falling sharply. Two minutes later: 9952.15
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:20:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'M')y guess is that today's marching orders for the Plunge Protection Team are to: "Hold the dow above 10,000 at all costs!"
It dropped almost 300 points in the first 3 minutes, only to mysteriously rise from the ashes and bounce around the 10,000-10,000 area. We shall see...


below 10,000...ahhhh...but what does it close at?
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby dunewalker » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:29:05

Yes, of course, it's the closing bell the PPT is defending: 10,001 or bust!
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Narz » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:34:41

If "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:36:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?

Cuz it's shiney...
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby yesplease » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:44:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?
Cuz it's shiney...

B.S. You have probably have plenty invested, and the more you fearmonger the more you can drive up the price. After all, it makes for a bigger cash out at the top. :twisted:
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Postby Spanktron9 » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 11:00:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?
Cuz it's shiney...

My.....Presssssious. (j/k Rocc) I've got loads of respect for your prognosticating
Who are you going to turn to when all the crazy Peak-oil doomers end up being right?
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