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O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 10:23:57

O'Reilly on Frank

I'm no real fan of O'Reilly (His ego is the size of Canada), but his approval ratings went higher with me in this exchange. I can't stand Barney Frank. He should be thrown out of office and prosecuted for his involvement in the mess.

Now lets see O'reilly go after the other jerks in Congress.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 10:32:11

Although Frank is probably the most to blame for pushing through legistlation making it easier for low income areas to get mortgages, there is lots of blame to be spread around.

It was a mismanagement of F & F if they couldn't assess their profitability under government mandates. Other industries have to adjust to even stricter regulatory guidelines.

Also regulatory bodies, such as the Fed, did not offer any firm guidance or stop lenders from making unsuitable loan terms in those low income areas.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 10:43:07

The recordings of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other democrats fighting off the Hagel-McCain bill that would've put stricter regulations on Fannie & Freddie is hilarious. Just two years ago Dem after dem bloviates about how safe F & F are, and no more regulation is needed--- :-D
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Cochise » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 11:17:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he recordings of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other democrats fighting off the Hagel-McCain bill that would've put stricter regulations on Fannie & Freddie is hilarious. Just two years ago Dem after dem bloviates about how safe F & F are, and no more regulation is needed--- :-D


While republicans, after holding presidency for 8 years and both houses for 6 years have no responsibility in this mess ... yeah, that make sense!
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Fishman » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 11:18:52

Yep, its an inside job by Bush, but Franks and Dodd have been running the system the last two years. Seems like a setup for obama to be the financial antichrist.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby beamofthewave » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 11:53:02

That is why as soon as he is president, he needs to hold hearings and try and imprison those responsible for this mess. If they flee to foreign countries, then go get them, bring them back and incarcerate them.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 12:03:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', 'T')hat is why as soon as he is president, he needs to hold hearings and try and imprison those responsible for this mess. If they flee to foreign countries, then go get them, bring them back and incarcerate them.


Unfortunately, many of the people responsible for this are Obama's own financial advisors and political allies. Franklin Raines, for example, was driven out of Fannie Mae for financial irregularities, but Obama has made him his financial advisor. Barnie Frank and Chris Dodd head the house and Senate banking committees and stopped tighter regulation of F & F just two years ago, but they are dems so Obama surely won't go after them.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 12:17:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ranklin Raines, for example, was driven out of Fannie Mae for financial irregularities, but Obama has made him his financial advisor.


Your quoting an erroneous McCain campaign ad. Raines was never his advisor. Of course the Senate in their normal proceedings had significant contact with Raines, and Obama as well as many others probably talked to him about Fannie.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 12:27:50

The Washington Post, a prominent (and dominantly liberal) newspaper, reported in April that Raines was advising the Obama campaign.

"There's no dispute that Obama has no background in economics ...

Fannie Mae did collapse, requiring a government takeover, and Raines, its former chairman, paid $25 million in April to settle a case brought by federal authorities investigating his role in the agency's accounting problems....

.... an April story in The Washington Post that said Raines has "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

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Obama is the second largest recipient of campaign donations from Raines & other execs at F & F, after fellow dem Chris Dodd who headed the banking committee. If Obama wasn't the biggest supporters of these crooks along with Chris Dodd, then why did they shower campaign donations on him?
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 12:49:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Washington Post, a prominent (and dominantly liberal) newspaper, reported in April that Raines was advising the Obama campaign.

"There's no dispute that Obama has no background in economics ...

Fannie Mae did collapse, requiring a government takeover, and Raines, its former chairman, paid $25 million in April to settle a case brought by federal authorities investigating his role in the agency's accounting problems....

.... an April story in The Washington Post that said Raines has "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

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Obama is the second largest recipient of campaign donations from Raines & other execs at F & F, after fellow dem Chris Dodd who headed the banking committee. If Obama wasn't the biggest supporters of these crooks along with Chris Dodd, then why did they shower campaign donations on him?


The Washington Post story is in reference to some earlier conversations with Raines well before April. I'm sure many others in Congress talked to Raines before his problems became known.

Anyway this does not make him Obama's advisor anymore than it makes him an advisor to "Keating Five" McCain.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 13:12:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Washington Post, a prominent (and dominantly liberal) newspaper, reported in April that Raines was advising the Obama campaign.

"There's no dispute that Obama has no background in economics ...

Fannie Mae did collapse, requiring a government takeover, and Raines, its former chairman, paid $25 million in April to settle a case brought by federal authorities investigating his role in the agency's accounting problems....

.... an April story in The Washington Post that said Raines has "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

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Obama is the second largest recipient of campaign donations from Raines & other execs at F & F, after fellow dem Chris Dodd who headed the banking committee. If Obama wasn't the biggest supporters of these crooks along with Chris Dodd, then why did they shower campaign donations on him?


The Washington Post story is in reference to some earlier conversations with Raines well before April. I'm sure many others in Congress talked to Raines before his problems became known.


Lots of people talked to Raines. But Raines only gave huge campaign donations to his supporters like Chris Dodd and Obama. Its very naive to think that its OK for Obama to take advice and huge campaign contributions from a crook like Raines just because it occurred before Raine's financial skullduggery at Fannie was made public.

Obama was being advised by this crook and took big campaign donations from these scumbags at the exact same time Raines and the other crooks were scamming the taxpayers and causing the collapse of Fannie Mae.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby lawnchair » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 13:15:37

If it wasn't for the fact that virtually the entire deregulated subprime market had absolutely nothing to do with Fannie and Freddie, I'd be a little more interested.

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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 13:22:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lawnchair', 'I')f it wasn't for the fact that virtually the entire deregulated subprime market had absolutely nothing to do with Fannie and Freddie, I'd be a little more interested.

The Titanic is sinking, and we're assigning blame for capsized canoes, here.


Fannie and Freddie underwrote much of the sub-prime market. They are chartered by Congress to help encourage home ownership for all Americans....in practice that meant that under Franklin Raines they were major contributors to the sub-prime mess as they helped shoe-horn home buyers who couldn't qualify for home loans into sub-prime mortgages. Fannie reduced the risk for local savings and loans by buying up bundles of the sub-prime mortgages and reselling them. Banks and insurance companies and investment banks bought the sub-prime mortgages, at least in part because they assumed there was a federal guarentee on the sub-prime derivations because the contracts were generated by a quasi government agency.

Sound familiar so far?
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 13:31:38

Here's what the Washington Post said about Fannie Mae's reponsibility for the sub-prime mess:


"Fannie Mae aimed to benefit from subprime loans and expand the market for them -- and hoped to pass much of the risk on to others, documents show. Along with subprime loans, which were typically issued to borrowers with blemished credit, the company targeted so-called Alt-A loans, which were often made with no verification of the borrower's income.

"By entering new markets -- especially Alt-A and subprime -- and guaranteeing more of our customers' products at market prices, we met our goal of increasing market share from 22 to 25 percent," Mudd wrote in a 2006 year-end report to the Fannie Mae board dated Jan. 3, 2007.

In other internal documents, there was a common refrain: One of Fannie Mae's objectives for 2006 was to "increase our penetration into subprime."

In an interview, Fannie Mae Executive Vice President Thomas A. Lund said the company pursued the purchase of subprime loans in 2006 and 2007 at the request of lenders, who wanted Fannie Mae to take the loans off their books.

Sound familiar?
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 13:56:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', 'T')hat is why as soon as he is president, he needs to hold hearings and try and imprison those responsible for this mess. If they flee to foreign countries, then go get them, bring them back and incarcerate them.


You can count on it. First there will be the show trials, then the purges. Those out of favor with the Obama Administration will find themselves out in the cold. Of course Frank, Dodd, Raines all other members of the chosen one's party will be pardoned.

Come on, Comrades ! Lets take up the chant!

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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby lawnchair » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 14:12:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
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Fannie and Freddie underwrote much of the sub-prime market.



15% of the subprime market, mostly in Alt-A. 98% of Freddie and Fannie-backed loans are in current payment as of last month.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 14:32:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', 'T')hat is why as soon as he is president, he needs to hold hearings and try and imprison those responsible for this mess. If they flee to foreign countries, then go get them, bring them back and incarcerate them.


You can count on it. First there will be the show trials, then the purges. Those out of favor with the Obama Administration will find themselves out in the cold. Of course Frank, Dodd, Raines all other members of the chosen one's party will be pardoned.

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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Nickel » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 14:44:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'I')'m no real fan of O'Reilly (His ego is the size of Canada)


Yeah, but Canada has a RIGHT to be the size of Canada. :lol:
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 15:32:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Washington Post, a prominent (and dominantly liberal) newspaper, reported in April that Raines was advising the Obama campaign.

"There's no dispute that Obama has no background in economics ...

Fannie Mae did collapse, requiring a government takeover, and Raines, its former chairman, paid $25 million in April to settle a case brought by federal authorities investigating his role in the agency's accounting problems....

.... an April story in The Washington Post that said Raines has "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

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Obama is the second largest recipient of campaign donations from Raines & other execs at F & F, after fellow dem Chris Dodd who headed the banking committee. If Obama wasn't the biggest supporters of these crooks along with Chris Dodd, then why did they shower campaign donations on him?


The Washington Post story is in reference to some earlier conversations with Raines well before April. I'm sure many others in Congress talked to Raines before his problems became known.


Lots of people talked to Raines. But Raines only gave huge campaign donations to his supporters like Chris Dodd and Obama. Its very naive to think that its OK for Obama to take advice and huge campaign contributions from a crook like Raines just because it occurred before Raine's financial skullduggery at Fannie was made public.

Obama was being advised by this crook and took big campaign donations from these scumbags at the exact same time Raines and the other crooks were scamming the taxpayers and causing the collapse of Fannie Mae.


It's funny you don't want to talk about the Keating Five, where there was a long Congressional investigation of McCain's role in the S & L crisis, but are willing to make vague accusuations and implications about Obama.

But you're a troll, so I shouldn't expect any better from you.

Remind me never to reply to one of your posts again.
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Re: O'Reilly blasts Barney Frank on Fannie Mae Crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 16:39:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Washington Post, a prominent (and dominantly liberal) newspaper, reported in April that Raines was advising the Obama campaign.

"There's no dispute that Obama has no background in economics ...

Fannie Mae did collapse, requiring a government takeover, and Raines, its former chairman, paid $25 million in April to settle a case brought by federal authorities investigating his role in the agency's accounting problems....

.... an April story in The Washington Post that said Raines has "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

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Obama is the second largest recipient of campaign donations from Raines & other execs at F & F, after fellow dem Chris Dodd who headed the banking committee. If Obama wasn't the biggest supporters of these crooks along with Chris Dodd, then why did they shower campaign donations on him?


The Washington Post story is in reference to some earlier conversations with Raines well before April. I'm sure many others in Congress talked to Raines before his problems became known.


Lots of people talked to Raines. But Raines only gave huge campaign donations to his supporters like Chris Dodd and Obama. Its very naive to think that its OK for Obama to take advice and huge campaign contributions from a crook like Raines just because it occurred before Raine's financial skullduggery at Fannie was made public.

Obama was being advised by this crook and took big campaign donations from these scumbags at the exact same time Raines and the other crooks were scamming the taxpayers and causing the collapse of Fannie Mae.


...you're a troll, so I shouldn't expect any better from you.

Remind me never to reply to one of your posts again.


You're an especially ugly troll, so I can't expect you to be able to have an intelligent discussion of current issues without resorting to ad homs.

Meanwhile, the Congress rolls on in its majesty, voting with the unsinkable Barney Frank to give billions to the con men on Wall Street.
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