[vtsnowedin]

Back to Charlie Tax Cheat Rangel for a moment if I may. what a way to hand an issue to the McCain camp. I notice a thundering silence from the Obama camp and Pelosies statement is just ludicrous. Imagine during the debates McCain asking Obama if he believes that someone who can not make out and pay his own taxes properly should write tax law for the rest of us. It will be like Jackie Gleason caught flat footed by Alice. "Ralph, Whats the meaning of this?" "Humma ......Humma...... HUUmmah" Lets hope they stand by their man right up to election day.

On the other tack this thread has taken how about the world as the Dems would make it if they had no GOP to keep them in check?? National health care for sure, higher buisness taxes, Carbon taxes, nationalised industries, How far would they get before the bills came due?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')I'm asking you to describe what life in America would be like if there simply WERE no Democrats.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')On the other tack this thread has taken how about the world as the Dems would make it if they had no GOP to keep them in check?? National health care for sure, higher buisness taxes, Carbon taxes, nationalised industries, How far would they get before the bills came due?

[AlexdeLarge]

If you looking for someone to blame....look in the mirror. Blind, partisanship voting is what got us in this mess. ON BOTH SIDES!!

Rangel is unfit for office and should be impeached. So should many others of both parties.

Niether Obama or McCain are fit to hold the job of President and are not up to the challenge that faces America and the world.

The blame starts at your front porch. Beginning with the FOOLS who overspend and do not save and bought houses they could not afford. It ends with the greedy wallstreet investment banker taking worthlesss paper and selling it to other bozos. And don't forget the politicians who were in on the scam to fark all of us to stay in power.

Guess what Bingo. There will be no nationalized health care, no free college, no social security, no medicare, no additional military spending, no exploration of mars, no research into green sources of energy.

We are flat broke and its time to go back to work. It will take decades to dig our way out of this one.................and we are all to blame!

[dinopello]

I pretty much agree with your whole rant, Mr deLarge. As far as the candidates being up to the challenge though, who is ? Is the system up to the challenge ?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ') the world as the Dems would make it if they had no GOP to keep them in check?? .... How far would they get before the bills came due?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I') pretty much agree with your whole rant, Mr deLarge. As far as the candidates being up to the challenge though, who is ? Is the system up to the challenge ?

[Plantagenet]

Hi Carlhole: I'm surprised you are still pushing Ron Paul. How can you continue to be a rabid fan of Ron Paul when (1) he lost every election he ran in. He is no longer even running, and (2) Ron Paul's peak oil proposals stink.... he actually doesn't have any.

Back here in the real world, I think the US needs more energy development to deal with the coming effects of Peak Oil. The democrats oppose more energy development, but the republicans want to pursue development of every kind of energy available--- and thats exactly what I'd like to see done.

In particular:

1. I would expect the Republicans to pass Roscoe Barnett's (R-Md) bill and follow Palin's plan to open ANWR
2. They'd pass Dana Rohrbacher's (R-Ca) bill to suspend the EIS process for new solar power plants.
3. They'd pursue McCain's plan to build nuclear power plants
4. They'd pursue McCain's plan to open the OCS to drilling
5. They'd pursue other energy options (wind, solar, hydrogen, geothermal, advanced biofuels).
6. McCain wants to phase out the damaging ethanol subsidies that are driving food prices higher (McCain has opposed them for years and the dem congress just doubled them in next year's budget).

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'H')ow can you be such a rabid fan of Ron Paul's peak oil proposals, considering he actually doesn't have any?

[AlexdeLarge]

The first step is to replace the entire leadership of the house and senate. We must have term limits. Most of our leaders stay in power due to name recognition alone and are then buoyed up by partisan politics and special interests groups. The washington bureaucracy most also go. Though there are some good civil servants, many exist to perpetuate their job. Government must get smaller!!!!!

The only way to do this is from the bottom. A grass roots, non partisan drive for a constitutional convention. There, by following the guidelines of the constitution, it can be amended by the people to change what needs to be changed.

If you are waiting for your current "elected" leadership to change things................you are farking dreaming. It's not that fool Obama who's only claim to fame is "chosing" to be black. It's not that studgy old McCain, who would not be there except for his war record.

It's time for a revolution by following the document our founders created and which is now ignored.

I say we start a grass roots, peoples drive for a constitutional convention , led by the States....and throw all the bums in DC out!

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Deregulation has been largely a Republican football to carry down field. And the Bush Administration has gotten behind deregulation in a very big way for the past 8 years.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Deregulation has been largely a Republican football to carry down field. And the Bush Administration has gotten behind deregulation in a very big way for the past 8 years.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')I.... cannot see anything about Enron mentioned at all.

[Plantagenet]

The Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (Pub.L. 107-204, 116 Stat. 745, enacted 2002-07-30), also known as the Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act of 2002 and commonly called SOX or Sarbox; is a United States federal law enacted on July 30, 2002 in response to a number of major corporate and accounting scandals including those affecting Enron, Tyco International, Adelphia, Peregrine Systems and WorldCom. These scandals, which cost investors billions of dollars when the share prices of the affected companies collapsed, shook public confidence in the nation's securities markets. Named after sponsors Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) and Representative Michael G. Oxley (R-OH), the Act was approved by the House by a vote of 334-90 and by the Senate 99-0. President George W. Bush signed it into law, stating it included "the most far-reaching reforms of American business practices since the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt."[1]
The legislation establishes new or enhanced standards for all U.S. public company boards, management, and public accounting firms... The Act contains 11 titles, or sections, ranging from additional Corporate Board responsibilities to criminal penalties, and requires the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to implement rulings on requirements to comply with the new law.....Supporters contend that the legislation was necessary and has played a useful role in restoring public confidence in the nation's capital markets by, among other things, strengthening corporate accounting controls.


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[PenultimateManStanding]

We can debate the details all we wish, but the overall pattern is clear enough: we chopped down all the trees to haul the big statues from the quarry down to overlook the lonesome vast blue ocean.

[Carlhole]

Look, if Sarbanes-Oxley were important to the current financial meltdown, why is it not even mentioned in The Sub-Prime Crisis piece on Wikipedia? And when you look up Sarbanes-Oxley on Wikipedia, The Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis is not mentioned there either.

You just flat don't know WTF you're talking about.

Sarbanes-Oxley has to do with accounting rules for corporations and overseeing auditors of corporate books. It was enacted to fix accounting loopholes that allowed Enron to play that complex holding company shell game with corporate liabilities.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wiki', 'T')he Act establishes a new quasi-public agency, the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, or PCAOB, which is charged with overseeing, regulating, inspecting, and disciplining accounting firms in their roles as auditors of public companies. The Act also covers issues such as auditor independence, corporate governance, internal control assessment, and enhanced financial disclosure.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Deregulation has been largely a Republican football to carry down field. And the Bush Administration has gotten behind deregulation in a very big way for the past 8 years.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e can debate the details all we wish, but the overall pattern is clear enough: we chopped down all the trees to haul the big statues from the quarry down to overlook the lonesome vast blue ocean.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')You just flat don't know WTF you're talking about.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')You just flat don't know WTF you're talking about.