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Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 01:09:24

Only the democrats would pick a tax cheat to head the Congressional committee that writes tax laws.

Dems put tax cheat in charge of writing tax laws for America

Pelosi and the dems picked this guy and then when the facts come out about his tax scams they do nothing about the sleaze.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 08:32:39

Obama/Biden and Rangle believe its patriotic only for "you" to pay your taxes.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 11:41:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'O')bama/Biden and Rangle believe its patriotic only for "you" to pay your taxes.


Rangel is a true patriot just like Biden-----but then, "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels."
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 12:53:52

***y-a-a-a-aaaaaa -ch-ch-ch-ch....a-a-a-aawwwwwnnnnnnn***
(smacks lips several times...)

Oh, excuse me... dear oh dear.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 13:13:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')nly the democrats would pick a tax cheat to head the Congressional committee that writes tax laws.


Yeah. The irony is pretty huge isn't it. It wouldn't be so bad if these guys would legislate from their own experience and make the laws easier to follow and more concise. They won't though. They're just gonna make even more of a screwed up mess that nobody can figure out.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 13:44:12

What Rangel did with his taxes is not so bad; no big deal and is what should be expected. He was just seeking a leg up, an edge, a small advantage.

He's not the brightest guy but he is what he is: a cunning politician.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 13:54:27

It's all just one big party. There is no really big differences between the two parties.

I'd like to hear Plantagenet describe what the Republicans would accomplish in the next 8 years if the Democrats were to simply vanish completely as a party so that only Republicans existed.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 14:47:32

Slow day on the Obama front, Planty??
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 17:05:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')I'd like to hear Plantagenet describe what the Republicans would accomplish in the next 8 years if the Democrats were to simply vanish completely as a party so that only Republicans existed.


No problemo.

I like the Republican's energy agenda better then Obama's plan. I think the US needs more energy development to deal with the coming effects of Peak Oil, and the republicans want to pursue development of every kind of energy available--- and thats exactly what I'd like to see done.

Some of the specifics I'd like to see:

1. I would expect the Republicans to pass Roscoe Barnett's (R-Md) bill and follow Palin's plan to open ANWR
2. They'd pass Dana Rohrbacher's (R-Ca) bill to suspend the EIS process for new solar power plants.
3. They'd pursue McCain's plan to build nuclear power plants
4. They'd pursue McCain's plan to open the OCS to drilling
5. They'd pursue other energy options (wind, solar, hydrogen, geothermal, advanced biofuels).
6. They'd phase out the damaging ethanol subsidies that are driving food prices higher (McCain has opposed them for years).
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 17:34:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')I'd like to hear Plantagenet describe what the Republicans would accomplish in the next 8 years if the Democrats were to simply vanish completely as a party so that only Republicans existed.


No problemo.

I like the Republican's energy agenda better then Obama's plan. I think the US needs more energy development to deal with the coming effects of Peak Oil, and the republicans want to pursue development of every kind of energy available--- and thats exactly what I'd like to see done.

Some of the specifics I'd like to see:

1. I would expect the Republicans to pass Roscoe Barnett's (R-Md) bill and follow Palin's plan to open ANWR
2. They'd pass Dana Rohrbacher's (R-Ca) bill to suspend the EIS process for new solar power plants.
3. They'd pursue McCain's plan to build nuclear power plants
4. They'd pursue McCain's plan to open the OCS to drilling
5. They'd pursue other energy options (wind, solar, hydrogen, geothermal, advanced biofuels).
6. They'd phase out the damaging ethanol subsidies that are driving food prices higher (McCain has opposed them for years).


Whatever the candidates blather on about with regard to energy development, will have very little to do with what actually happens.

Their positions are virtually identical. And the differences in them probably have more to do with leaving just enough difference so that some debate is left for the campaigning. The miniscule differences in what they are carrying on about now, will have very little to do with the actual courses of action that will be taken during the next presidency.

America is going to be in a real financial crunch come 2009 due to the mess that has occurred. The country's wherewithal to throw the kitchen sink at the energy problem will be limited. The country will have to prioritize energy development according to Bang/Buck considerations. There won't be room for politics.

The financial mess we are in has been due to deregulation of financial markets. Are you old enough to remember the political mantra of "deregulation"? It began in the Reagan years. It has been largely a Republican credited idea that has been condoned by the Democrats. It was an initiative that was all part of the rabid adherence to free market principles where government allows the market to police itself. John McCain has been a vocal proponent of deregulation. It has been a very popular position for Conservatives to shout about.

Those chickens have now come home to roost now. And everyone knows it. The ultimate effect of deregulation has been to socialize America and greatly expand the size of government. Aren't the Republicans proud?

It doesn't matter whether you swallow party lines about taxes or mind-boggling debt. These two parties are a monopolistic sham. To continually promote one over the other is continue the irresponsibility of what amounts to a shell game for a confused citizenry.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 17:49:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')I'd like to hear Plantagenet describe what the Republicans would accomplish in the next 8 years if the Democrats were to simply vanish completely as a party so that only Republicans existed.


No problemo.

I like the Republican's energy agenda better then Obama's plan. I think the US needs more energy development to deal with the coming effects of Peak Oil, and the republicans want to pursue development of every kind of energy available--- and thats exactly what I'd like to see done.

Some of the specifics I'd like to see:

1. I would expect the Republicans to pass Roscoe Barnett's (R-Md) bill and follow Palin's plan to open ANWR
2. They'd pass Dana Rohrbacher's (R-Ca) bill to suspend the EIS process for new solar power plants.
3. They'd pursue McCain's plan to build nuclear power plants
4. They'd pursue McCain's plan to open the OCS to drilling
5. They'd pursue other energy options (wind, solar, hydrogen, geothermal, advanced biofuels).
6. They'd phase out the damaging ethanol subsidies that are driving food prices higher (McCain has opposed them for years).


Their positions are virtually identical.


Not so.

The dems don't support #1, 2, 3, and 4. Pelosi and the dems in Congress have blocked even having a vote on #1, 2, and 4. And Obama and the dems strongly support even more wasteful ethanol subsidies (#6).
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 19:18:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') like the Republican's energy agenda better then Obama's plan. I think the US needs more energy development to deal with the coming effects of Peak Oil, and the republicans want to pursue development of every kind of energy available--- and thats exactly what I'd like to see done.

Some of the specifics I'd like to see:

1. I would expect the Republicans to pass Roscoe Barnett's (R-Md) bill and follow Palin's plan to open ANWR
2. They'd pass Dana Rohrbacher's (R-Ca) bill to suspend the EIS process for new solar power plants.
3. They'd pursue McCain's plan to build nuclear power plants
4. They'd pursue McCain's plan to open the OCS to drilling
5. They'd pursue other energy options (wind, solar, hydrogen, geothermal, advanced biofuels).
6. They'd phase out the damaging ethanol subsidies that are driving food prices higher (McCain has opposed them for years).

The dems don't support #1, 2, 3, and 4. Pelosi and the dems in Congress have blocked even having a vote on #1, 2, and 4. And Obama and the dems strongly support even more wasteful ethanol subsidies (#6).


That just sounds like a standard political talking point.

A broad energy bill will have to pounded out during the next administration. And I expect it to be a priority. There will be a whole lot of deals made such as is normal in Washington. Drilling will probably be part of it, they'll offer tax credits and incentives for renewable energies, they'll raise cafe standards, nuclear will probably see a resurgence, hopefully they'll spur R&D into cellulosic and other things... And they will do more or less these same things regardless of whether McCain or Obama wins.

But you keep posting these fanatically partisan threads nearly everyday and you've done it for months. Most of them have nothing to do with energy. You'll go on and on about trivial things like the Obama flag nonsense or Palin's email thing or all kinds of spurious, disparaging stories that identify you as an obsessive Republican fan. I mean, you obsess about the Republicans like that Britney video guy obsesses about Britney Spears!

Why?

Say the Democrats disappeared completely. They no longer provided any opposition to the GOP's policies and goals. And the Republicans became the sole political party, how would you describe how life for Americans would change after a decade or two?
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 20:16:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 't')hey will do more or less the same things regardless of whether McCain or Obama wins.


Some of us have to live in the real world.

The democrats and republicans are made up of different and often mutually exclusive interest groups. The two parties do not advocate the same energy policies and they will not do the same things if elected.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 20:35:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 't')hey will do more or less the same things regardless of whether McCain or Obama wins.


Some of us have to live in the real world.

The democrats and republicans are made up of different and often mutually exclusive interest groups. The two parties do not advocate the same energy policies and they will not do the same things if elected.


I'm trying to get you to elaborate on the kinds of policies that Republicans would implement if they encountered no resistance from Democrats.

And describe how those unimpeded policies would affect American life.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 22:04:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 't')hey will do more or less the same things regardless of whether McCain or Obama wins.


Some of us have to live in the real world.

The democrats and republicans are made up of different and often mutually exclusive interest groups. The two parties do not advocate the same energy policies and they will not do the same things if elected.


I'm trying to get you to elaborate on the kinds of policies that Republicans would implement if they encountered no resistance from Democrats.


I already answered that exact question just a few posts above. :)
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 22:29:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 't')hey will do more or less the same things regardless of whether McCain or Obama wins.


Some of us have to live in the real world.

The democrats and republicans are made up of different and often mutually exclusive interest groups. The two parties do not advocate the same energy policies and they will not do the same things if elected.


I'm trying to get you to elaborate on the kinds of policies that Republicans would implement if they encountered no resistance from Democrats.


I already answered that exact question just a few posts above. :)


Well, you say that you prefer the Republicans stated energy agenda but that doesn't explain all your fanatical posts on subjects like Obama's flag thing or Sen. Obama plagarized his campaign slogan or Sarah Palin gets "swiftboated" by "Hockey Mom, etc., etc.

It's like everyday, you create some post that rails against the Democrats somehow. You really appear to be quite antagonized by the Democrats. It's as if you have a rabid hatred for the party for some reason. It's your primary focus here on PO.com. You never will say anything complementary about a Democrat. Nor will you be critical of a Republican in an unbiased way.

For example, if Republicans have committed some grievous error and someone points this out to you, you are always quick to assign JOINT blame with the Democrats if you can't assign the problem ENTIRELY over to them. That's the furthest towards criticizing Republicans that you will ever go. It's seems quite quizzical to me.

So I'm asking you to describe what life in America would be like if there simply WERE no Democrats. That goes beyond a mere political talking point on energy as above. Talking points are for campaigns. They may or may not have any relation to whatever gruesome sausage is eventually cranked out in the legislature.
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 23:34:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')I'm asking you to describe what life in America would be like if there simply WERE no Democrats.


That's easy.

"Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one"

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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 23:47:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')1. I would expect the Republicans to pass Roscoe Barnett's (R-Md) bill and follow Palin's plan to open ANWR


Roscoe Bartlett you mean? This is the guy who is saying all the things we'd like to say to empty seats in congress. He may be a Republican but he in no way represents the standard republican platform. The republican leadership will not accept his "catches" tacked onto the ANWR drilling. If they do support it I will be very surprised.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')5. They'd pursue other energy options (wind, solar, hydrogen, geothermal, advanced biofuels).


Fat chance. The republicans have no prior record of crusading for alternative energy and there is no reason to trust them now.

You seem to want to cast the Republicans as much more moderate than they really are. Why don't you accept the fact that you're a lapsed Democrat?
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 23:58:48

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Roscoe Bartlett...The republican leadership will not accept his "catches" tacked onto the ANWR drilling.


You don't get it.

Bartlett's bill attracted 83 co-sponsors in the first couple of weeks after it was offerred. These included 80 republican co-sponsors, some of whom were members of the republican leadership. There were 3 democratic co-sponsors, none from the democratic leadership.

Its the democratic leadership that won't accept Bartlett's bill. In fact, Nancy Pelosi and the dems won't even allow Bartlett's bill to come up for a vote. :)
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Re: Charles Rangel (D) New York

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 00:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')he republicans have no prior record of crusading for alternative energy


You make lots of assertions, but you rarely back them up.

Lets talk alternative energy.

For instance, are you aware of the huge backlog in site permitting for solar power plants? Over a hundred plant proposals are stuck in BLM going through a l-o-n-g EIS process. With appeals from environmentalists, the EIS process usually takes 10-20 years.

Are you aware of Dana Rohrbacher's bill (R-Ca) to suspend the EIS process for all proposed solar power plants to end the backlog of over a hundred solar power plants going through the decade-long EIS process?

Nancy Pelosi and the dems won't allow Rohrbacher's bill to come up for a vote, thereby effectively blocking construction of new solar plants on public lands in the U.S for a decade or so. Personally, I think that is stupid on the part of Pelosi and the dems----I think we need solar power plants built now to help offset the coming peak oil crisis.
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