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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby mercurygirl » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 12:22:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'M')y understanding about gatherer hunters was gleaned from basic anthropological facts from the likes of Theresa Kintz and others who inform us that the vast majority of pre civilized diets consisted of wild, non domesticated food sources, of which animal hunting was a very small and infrequent part of.

Of course they had no domesticated sources and hunting was infrequent at one time. Hunting large animals was a labor-intensive pursuit, there had to be a real need. But fishing and trapping small animals had to be going on almost since humans were. Not to mention the animals found while gathering. Insects, eggs, amphibians, shellfish, baby mammals, and the list goes on. Humans are opportunists.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 14:08:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'M')y understanding about gatherer hunters was gleaned from basic anthropological facts from the likes of Theresa Kintz and others who inform us that the vast majority of pre civilized diets consisted of wild, non domesticated food sources, of which animal hunting was a very small and infrequent part of.
Of course they had no domesticated sources and hunting was infrequent at one time. Hunting large animals was a labor-intensive pursuit, there had to be a real need. But fishing and trapping small animals had to be going on almost since humans were. Not to mention the animals found while gathering. Insects, eggs, amphibians, shellfish, baby mammals, and the list goes on. Humans are opportunists.

Hunting and to a lesser extent, fishing, have played marginal roles in food source acquisition during 99% of human existence. We're talking about pre-historic people here.

Gathering plants, nuts, berries, etc has been the preferred way of nomadic peoples, of which most humans were for 99% of human existence. The meme surrounding the paleolithic hunter is pure myth. Subsequent to civilization's birth, there has been a greater tendency for indigenous peoples to augment gathering with domesticating processes. Yet that is a pin dot of time relative to human communities and their historically gleaned lifeways.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby mercurygirl » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 13:51:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'H')unting and to a lesser extent, fishing, have played marginal roles in food source acquisition during 99% of human existence. We're talking about pre-historic people here.
Gathering plants, nuts, berries, etc has been the preferred way of nomadic peoples, of which most humans were for 99% of human existence. The meme surrounding the paleolithic hunter is pure myth. Subsequent to civilization's birth, there has been a greater tendency for indigenous peoples to augment gathering with domesticating processes. Yet that is a pin dot of time relative to human communities and their historically gleaned lifeways.

I'm talking about prehistoric people also. I didn't say they were hunting. They were gathering mainly, and if they gathered some animal foods, they were welcome. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that they weren't vegetarian.

Last night on TV, I saw some people in Thailand gathering ant larvae and lizards to eat. It requires very little effort. Seems like prehistoric people would have figured that out a very long time ago.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 14:06:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', 'L')ittle seems to be said about the ability of vitamin and mineral doses beyond the minimal to help protect against ailments such as heart disease and alzheimers.

There was a lot of interest ten years ago in trying to use antioxidants such as vitamin c and e to try to prevent or treat heart disease. It was studied fairly thoroughly and didn't provide benefit. That's why nobody says anything about it today.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:55:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')here was a lot of interest ten years ago in trying to use antioxidants such as vitamin c and e to try to prevent or treat heart disease. It was studied fairly thoroughly and didn't provide benefit. That's why nobody says anything about it today.

Screw those, this is the big deal going today.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby jedinvest » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 17:52:31

I suggest that if there are any reasons you would see a doc and complain about some health ailment, it is time to consider vitamin/supplements/natural remedies. Why would anyone want to take any of the 'designer' pharmaceudical medicines (except for antibiotics and then only if they were really needed) if there is any possibility of an alternative treatment??

Just as seeking out healthful foods should be a priority, possibility seeking out healthful vitamins and minerals should equally be a priority. Probably helps to get the opinion of someone knowledgeable in vitamins though than just buying them randomly.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby Cparkinson » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 19:07:41

hello all, I agree that one should eat a good diet but supplements are necessary too.
I say a good organic multi vitamin, some vitamin C, E, and fish oil are the very basic ones to take; and calcium magnesium for women too. Check out New Chapter for organic vitamins-new chapter

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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 13:53:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')omen who are pregnant or planning to get pregnant would be another exception.

That seems to say that otherwise healthy women are missing something essential for formation of a healthy baby (folic acid and/or other stuff ?).

Looks like this might also indicate that a visibly healthy person could be missing some essentials to prevent disease?

As an old, active person, I have lots of friends --some who supplement -- some who don't. In all cases, the ones (equally old ) who don't take any supplements are less active, able, and healthy than those who do.
Just anecdotal, I know, but good enough visible evidence for me.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 12:25:50

We can all probably agree that anything that claims to prevent bone disease, fatigue, heart attacks, old age, insomnia, death, cancer, AIDS, and fail is total BS. No way eating a single exotic fruit or taking this magical pill is going to do all that or even any of that.
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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby firestarter » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 12:38:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCCOFIRE', 'G')reetings: Please be careful about the super vitamins, herbs, etc. If the collapse is coming, then you need evidenced based medical information to survive. Check out quackwatch.com.
If you want to take a daily, a simple cheap generic brand is just as fine as those so called "super vitamins". Eating foods are the best away.

Quackwatch is bought and paid for by the medical and pharmaceutical establishments. The mouthpiece over there, Steven Barrett ( a drug pushing doc himself--talk about conflicts of interest), never has anything to say about polypharmaca's toxic effects on the masses, or anything that is critical of this establishment zeitgeist period.

I do, however, like the site's approach to MLM's. They are spot on in their criticisms regarding it's criminality. Beyond that, however, He and his ilk are bleary eyed technophiles.
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Re: THE Vitamin Thread (merged)

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 03:56:23

Intravenously administered vitamin C as cancer therapy: three cases
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')arly clinical studies showed that high-dose vitamin C, given by intravenous and oral routes, may improve symptoms and prolong life in patients with terminal cancer. Double-blind placebo-controlled studies of oral vitamin C therapy showed no benefit. Recent evidence shows that oral administration of the maximum tolerated dose of vitamin C (18 g/d) produces peak plasma concentrations of only 220 µmol/L, whereas intravenous administration of the same dose produces plasma concentrations about 25-fold higher. Larger doses (50–100 g) given intravenously may result in plasma concentrations of about 14 000 µmol/L. At concentrations above 1000 µmol/L, vitamin C is toxic to some cancer cells but not to normal cells in vitro. We found 3 well-documented cases of advanced cancers, confirmed by histopathologic review, where patients had unexpectedly long survival times after receiving high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy. We examined clinical details of each case in accordance with National Cancer Institute (NCI) Best Case Series guidelines. Tumour pathology was verified by pathologists at the NCI who were unaware of diagnosis or treatment. In light of recent clinical pharmacokinetic findings and in vitro evidence of anti-tumour mechanisms, these case reports indicate that the role of high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy in cancer treatment should be reassessed.

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Re: Opinions on vitamin/mineral supplements

Unread postby mersa » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 07:48:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', 'L')ittle seems to be said about the ability of vitamin and mineral doses beyond the minimal to help protect against ailments such as heart disease and alzheimers.
There was a lot of interest ten years ago in trying to use antioxidants such as vitamin c and e to try to prevent or treat heart disease. It was studied fairly thoroughly and didn't provide benefit. That's why nobody says anything about it today.

alzheimers is a new development. there was no such animal 100 years ago. back then people kept their minds until they died.
Only due to new technology in the lt 100 years has brought it on, now, by 2030, fifty percent will have a severe case of it.
~German psychiatrist Alois Alzheimer in 1901

It is easily 100% preventable with simple precautions, but nevertheless will advance anyway since people will not believe how easy it is to prevent. People are so ignorant.
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Re: THE Vitamin Thread (merged)

Unread postby mercurygirl » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 12:59:32

And you're going to tell us how to prevent it, right?
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