[JohnDenver]

As a cornucopian, I believe we've got most, if not all, of the peak oil bases covered. In fact, I would be surprised if we experienced anything more than an economic rough spot like the 1970s. I think people will comprehend peak oil really quickly when it sinks in. They will realize that the gloves have to come off, and from the standpoint of the Earth Firsters, it's going to look like full scale war on mother nature: Geoengineering, strip mining the ocean floor, well-shooting, artificial moons, massive coal and uranium mining, drilling every remaining pristine refuge, nuking the tar sands, rescinding the dual-hulled tanker standard, poor petroleum-starved people savaging forests for fuel etc. etc.

"Mindsets" aren't going to change, and it's going to be like this picture:


I think there's going to be a lot of disappointment and rage. Peak oil was supposed to usher in the new age, but it just ushered in a new age of even more crass exploitation.

I wonder if this might lead to a spike in ecoterrorism.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'A')s a cornucopian, I believe we've got most, if not all, of the peak oil bases covered. In fact, I would be surprised if we experienced anything more than an economic rough spot like the 1970s. I think people will comprehend peak oil really quickly when it sinks in. They will realize that the gloves have to come off, and from the standpoint of the Earth Firsters, it's going to look like full scale war on mother nature: Geoengineering, strip mining the ocean floor, well-shooting, artificial moons, massive coal and uranium mining, drilling every remaining pristine refuge, nuking the tar sands, rescinding the dual-hulled tanker standard, poor petroleum-starved people savaging forests for fuel etc. etc.

"Mindsets" aren't going to change, and it's going to be like this picture:


I think there's going to be a lot of disappointment and rage. Peak oil was supposed to usher in the new age, but it just ushered in a new age of even more crass exploitation.

I wonder if this might lead to a spike in ecoterrorism.

[lorenzo]

I think you gravely underestimate the power of civil society and enlightened citizens. Just think of it: half of all European nations stopped their governments from joining the illegal oil war in Iraq.
Civil action will be a major instrument of change this century. And an entire generation of more conscious consumers is appearing (in Europe and Asia and Latin America).

Don't underestimate the rational and intelligent behavior and political action of well educated people.

It's not really difficult to stop corporate ecoterrorism. Many oil firms have already been ousted of many oil fields through this kind of civil action (e.g. Burma, Brazil, Nigeria, etc...) or they have been forced to change their behavior.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'f')rom the standpoint of the Earth Firsters, it's going to look like full scale war on mother nature: Geoengineering, strip mining the ocean floor, well-shooting, artificial moons, massive coal and uranium mining, drilling every remaining pristine refuge, nuking the tar sands, rescinding the dual-hulled tanker standard, poor petroleum-starved people savaging forests for fuel etc. etc.

[Liamj]

Care to provide a definition of ecoterrorism and 3 verifiable reports of same?

Theres ten times the media chatter about ecoterrorism than actually happens, but that wont stop the greenies being locked up with the arabs... "first they came for the homosexuals, but i wasn't a homosexual.. then they came for..".

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Liamj', 'C')are to provide a definition of ecoterrorism and 3 verifiable reports of same?

[Liamj]

Err, 'wage war' is not very accurate, doesn't the opposition have to have an army? If they/it doesn't, shouldn't it just called extermination, or genocide/biocide/omnicide?

The problem you have defining your main term is amusing, like Bush junta's problems defining terrorism! Great to have a war on something you can't identify, guess it explains all the 'friendly fire' & 'collateral damage' deaths.

In any case the humans have been noticably 'winning' for centuries, I think 'green extremists' would have to be pretty dim not to have noticed this.
'Ecoterrorism' for self preservation might make some sense, except that direct violence against the corporate state only provokes greater waste (in policing, law, incarceration, etc).

[dark-suzie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')Ever hear of something called "natural-selection?"
I see it in your future.

[bobaloo]

Not sure what you mean by start, I see ecoterrorism occurring every day. I can look out my windows and see 1000's of acres of clear cuts, replanted with genetically engineered monocultures of single strains of Douglas Fir. I see creeks filling in with gravel and spawning areas of salmon being destroyed by new development. I see hillsides being bulldozed to bedrock to put in another subdivision.

Ecoterrorism has been going on for a long time, and it's only getting worse.