[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '
')Liberals only support liberal women.

[firestarter]

Another family value inconsistency out of the religious right is the out of wedlock birth by Palin's daughter. Imagine the outrage from these sanctimonious boobs if Palin and her daughter were black.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's just bizarre to me that apparently being Vice President is more important to her than her child.

[FoolYap]

What bothers me about Ms. Palin is not that she has children and a career -- hurray for the equality and freedom to do that! Daycare need not be a bad option, and for goodness sake, I'm ever so sick of people who try to make women feel guilty for choosing that path.

No, what bothers me is the hypocrisy in the far-right (and her) position re: "family values", religion, etc.

Far-right position: No sex, no abortions. Yet, also no education on how to prevent pregnancies and transmitting sexual disease. Sex happens. Hence, ignorant people having sex will get pregnant, and/or spread diseases. Yet the far-right position is simply: No sex, no abortions.

Far-right position: Religion in politics is good; no more separation of church and state. Whose religion? Theirs, of course: Fundamentalist Christian religion. No Islam? No Jews? No Catholics? No atheists anyway, for damned sure. Yet, do any of the far-right peoples who are politically active actually strike you as "good Christians"? Do they follow the teachings of Christ vis-a-vis charity, helping others, living a simple life without material wealth? Do they tell the truth? Or are they caught constantly in blatant lies Often with their pants down around their ankles?

Ms. Palin strikes me as the embodiment of the worst possible combinations of hypocrisy that comes from the far-right, wrapped in a pretty package. I for one don't care a fig if her daughter is pregnant; mistakes happen. But I care very much that she's one of those "abstinence only" nuts. I care that she wanted to ban library books while mayor. I care that she lied about not wanting the "Bridge to Nowhere" -- she only rejected it when it was clear it was not going to happen. I care that she tells people the war in Iraq is a "mission from God" -- is that the kind of person we want with potentially (if McCain dies in office) their finger on the Big Red Button?? I don't care that she spent six years at five different colleges (or whatever it was) to get a journalism degree; I care that she seemingly wouldn't what "integrity" (journalistic or otherwise) was if it had antlers and bit her on the butt.

People who do not want McCain to win should be careful in how they attack her. She's a "target-rich environment", as they say, for substantive criticisms of her amazingly unsubstantive resume. But, keep it on point. I'm sure Karl Rove and crew would love for everyone to debate endlessly whether her fifth child is really her grandchild, but that misses the point of her very real dis-qualifications to be vice president.

--Steve

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', 'F')ar-right position: No sex, no abortions. Yet, also no education on how to prevent pregnancies and transmitting sexual disease. Sex happens. Hence, ignorant people having sex will get pregnant, and/or spread diseases. Yet the far-right position is simply: No sex, no abortions.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')It fits in well with their constant need for someone to look down scathingly upon.

[AlexdeLarge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '
')Liberals only support liberal women.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', 'F')ar-right position: No sex.

[RedStateGreen]

I think that the decision to take on national office is a serious one that shouldn't be entered into lightly. Sarah Palin:

Is the Governor of Alaska
Is married to a man who works full-time
Has five children, four who are under 18
Has a son deploying to Iraq, with all the stress and angst that entails
Has a daughter getting married
The same daughter is five months pregnant (presumably) with her first child
Has an infant with Down syndrome

Isn't that enough on her plate? Why in the world would she add yet another item to her list of things to do? It boggles the mind.

And the idea that women taking care of their home and family is somehow demeaning, lower-than, or not an actual career is complete nonsense.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', 'F')ar-right position: No sex.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'I') think that the decision to take on national office is a serious one that shouldn't be entered into lightly. Sarah Palin:

Is the Governor of Alaska
Is married to a man who works full-time
Has five children, four who are under 18
Has a son deploying to Iraq, with all the stress and angst that entails
Has a daughter getting married
The same daughter is five months pregnant (presumably) with her first child
Has an infant with Down syndrome

Isn't that enough on her plate? Why in the world would she add yet another item to her list of things to do? It boggles the mind.
And the idea that women taking care of their home and family is somehow demeaning, lower-than, or not an actual career is complete nonsense.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'A')nd the idea that women taking care of their home and family is somehow demeaning, lower-than, or not an actual career is complete nonsense.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'I') think that the decision to take on national office is a serious one that shouldn't be entered into lightly. Sarah Palin:

Is the Governor of Alaska
Is married to a man who works full-time
Has five children, four who are under 18
Has a son deploying to Iraq, with all the stress and angst that entails
Has a daughter getting married
The same daughter is five months pregnant (presumably) with her first child
Has an infant with Down syndrome

Isn't that enough on her plate? Why in the world would she add yet another item to her list of things to do? It boggles the mind.
And the idea that women taking care of their home and family is somehow demeaning, lower-than, or not an actual career is complete nonsense.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'G')osh. Where were all these concerns about women working outside the home when Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the house?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', ' ')A majority of American women with children now work outside the home....should they all quit their jobs and stay home and bake cookies?

[firestarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A') majority of American women with children now work outside the home....should they all quit their jobs and stay home and bake cookies?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A') majority of American women with children now work outside the home....should they all quit their jobs and stay home and bake cookies?

[FoolYap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'A')nd the idea that women taking care of their home and family is somehow demeaning, lower-than, or not an actual career is complete nonsense.

[CarlinsDarlin]

With the money she spent on that pre-cooked chicken and one dozen store bought cookies, she could have bought the ingredients for 12 dozen cookies, and fed a flock of 25 chickens for a week, getting the eggs as a bonus.

Not having money is a copout. If people lived more simply many wouldn't NEED the extra money of a second full-time breadwinner in the house. We have saved more money by my staying home than I earned when I was working full-time (and I earned more money at the time I quit my job than my husband did). Because when I worked full-time, we ate out often, paid for building and house maintenance, paid for yardwork, paid for groceries because we couldn't produce any ourselves, yadda yadda yadda. Now someone is home who can do all that stuff. We produce much of what we need, because I have the time to do it now.

It's a tradeoff. Time for money. My time is worth more than anyone could ever pay me.

And yep, I do the stay-at-home mom thing, I homeschool my kids, I am a 4-H leader, I run a farm, I raise animals and gardens, I put up and preserve food, I cook from scratch, and I get up by 5:00 am (earlier most days) and go to bed late every night. My "job" is 34/7/365. And I wouldn't trade it for the world.

Oh, and btw, I have also worked in the career world. I worked for 20 years in a professional capacity before I decided on this route. We didn't chance into having children, we adopted them. We didn't chance into unemployment. I resigned my position. Nothing we have now was unplanned, or happened by circumstance. It was a choice. Where I am now is much more satisfying.

There's not a more important job on the planet than raising the next generation of human beings to be better than yourself. Can it be done successfully by someone who sees their kids only in the evenings and on weekends, farming their care out to others (many times people they don't know from Adam's housecat) in the meantime? I suppose, but I'd be willing to bet having a dedicated, nurturing parent at home who puts her (or his, for that matter) children first would probably have a higher success rate. Not to mention happier children.

[FoolYap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'D')id she have any of that stuff going on? No. Her children were grown and only one even still lived with them. Completely different situation.