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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby coyote » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 12:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '[')url=http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/caprock_canyons/]Caprock Canyon[/url].

It looks gorgeous, thanks. I'm putting it on my list.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 14:08:16

Dogs are nicer than ppl. :razz:
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 14:10:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'S')o where would you place me in that pantheon of Peak Oiler types, Mos? Higher than those I've put on Ignore. I have about 100 members on my ignore list including some frequent posters who would be likely to go to a get-together.

I have ONE on ignore. HELLO.............
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby WildRose » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 15:14:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'T')his is a fantastic thread. I think just believing what we do about oil and energy automatically makes every one here a loner. At least the type of person that goes against the grain.
My "work" requires me to very social so in my downtime I prefer solitude. Now I really can work a social gathering or address a crowd of 200 plus. Yet on the flip side sometimes I really need to disconnect from the over load of social stimuli. My second obsession, backpacking, is done solo 90% of the time . I just prefer the company of myself. I like to spend at least 2-3 days a year out in Caprock Canyon. The canyon is so quite and peaceful.

Caprock Canyon looks beautiful, PM. If I ever get to that part of the continent, I'll make some time for it!

Here's another spot that's beautiful for a peaceful hike, up in my neck of the woods: link
Mount Edith Cavell, Jasper

I was there on the labour day weekend hiking.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby WildRose » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 16:41:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'I') shut myself off years ago


jasonraymondson, I read your original post before you edited it. It was really sad.

Kids can be really fickle when it comes to the issue of loyalty to friends (as you experienced), due to peer pressure, wanting to "fit in" and all. In all likelihood, those old friends of yours now regret the way they acted in junior high.

All I'm saying is, most adults are capable of being a bit more genuine in friendships so I wouldn't give up on it at your young age. :) That's all.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 16:50:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'I') shut myself off years ago


jasonraymondson, I read your original post before you edited it. It was really sad.

Kids can be really fickle when it comes to the issue of loyalty to friends (as you experienced), due to peer pressure, wanting to "fit in" and all. In all likelihood, those old friends of yours now regret the way they acted in junior high.

All I'm saying is, most adults are capable of being a bit more genuine in friendships so I wouldn't give up on it at your young age. :) That's all.


I second that. Most people VASTLY improve with age. Don't for heaven's sakes write off humanity yet. Kids are also almost encouraged to be mean nowadays. There is so much emphasis on the superficial.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 16:57:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')RL however, I am basically a pretty pleasant fellow..

....who plans to select children for survival based on their genetic likelihood to succeed and let the rest starve to death.

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Not quite. Its not something I plan to do, its what I do in the here and now :-)

If you were puting together a team, would you want winners or losers? Anyone can go out on the playing field, but only the strong survive. That is who you want on your team. Nature does a good job of sorting these things out.

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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 17:28:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')re you like that even with people you already know? You can write emails to them but in person you freeze up?

Yep.


Like Ludi, I believe I'm a quite different person in person than over the ether waves. My facility with words is much weaker, for example. I'm just not a good speaker unless I'm very, very relaxed and with people I'm familiar with. Also, I find myself subject to various emotions, most of them fairly unpleasant. Alcohol can help undo some of these tendencies in me. In fact, at a PO.com Convention, if given sufficient alcohol, I could probably be persuaded to walk around on my hands while singing the National Anthem backwards.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 17:31:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'S')o where would you place me in that pantheon of Peak Oiler types, Mos? Higher than those I've put on Ignore. I have about 100 members on my ignore list including some frequent posters who would be likely to go to a get-together.

I have ONE on ignore. HELLO.............


Me too, vision-master. Isn't that an amazing coincidence?

I try to limit the ignore button to an absolute minimum. I do it to people who consistently manage to make me feel exceptionally bad.

I feel certain, though, that if I actually met some of the people I have "on ignore," I'd get along with them just fine.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 17:40:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') think just believing what we do about oil and energy automatically makes every one here a loner. At least the type of person that goes against the grain.

My "work" requires me to very social so in my downtime I prefer solitude. Now I really can work a social gathering or address a crowd of 200 plus. Yet on the flip side sometimes I really need to disconnect from the over load of social stimuli. My second obsession, backpacking, is done solo 90% of the time . I just prefer the company of myself. I like to spend at least 2-3 days a year out in Caprock Canyon. The canyon is so quite and peaceful.


I think you're very right, Mule. Loner types probably tend to gravitate to the beliefs that many of us share, as well to other oddball or ahead-of-the-crowd belief systems.

The need to immerse oneself periodically in oneself for "recharging" is one theme I've abstracted from this thread. It's as though we need to touch a stabilizer deep down inside, in order to maintain our balance, our sense of ourselves.

One of my strong needs is to get away from human chatter, especially my mother's. Human speech is a miraculous gift, but most of it is wasted.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 18:20:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')If you were puting together a team, would you want winners or losers?


According to your standards, my sister and I are losers. We wouldn't be on the "team." Glad you weren't around to let us starve to death. Glad I will never meet you in real life.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby Byron100 » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 18:23:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')If you were puting together a team, would you want winners or losers?


According to your standards, my sister and I are losers. We wouldn't be on the "team." Glad you weren't around to let us starve to death. Hope I never meet you in real life.


Well, you certainly have company here, as I consider myself one of these "losers" too - what with my deafness and my asthma and me having a hard time "staying on task" for any significant length of time.

I try not to let it bother me too much, as I figure I'll have it better the next go around. I just hope I can make enough of a contribution in this life to make it all worthwhile...
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 18:32:36

Great thread, Heineken. If a mod can't graft a poll onto it you should start a separate topic, with min. 4 options, so we can hear from the real loners.

Bumped your Welcome to the PO.com Convention! thread, too. I'd go if it weren't much of a drive. A series of local cons would be best.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 18:56:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')RL however, I am basically a pretty pleasant fellow..

....who plans to select children for survival based on their genetic likelihood to succeed and let the rest starve to death.

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Not quite. Its not something I plan to do, its what I do in the here and now :-)

If you were puting together a team, would you want winners or losers? Anyone can go out on the playing field, but only the strong survive. That is who you want on your team. Nature does a good job of sorting these things out.

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But human culture does a lousy job of it. Social Darwinism is dopey in that it pretends to know what is good for the overall good of society and also that it can even define what "strength" is when it comes to what traits or combination of traits are beneficial to the overall survival of the species.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby Byron100 » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 19:20:26

This is why I cringe at the term "Darwinism" when applied to humans, as we're supposed (in my humble opinion of course) to be above such crude methods of natural selection. We're human, a step above mere animals, and a big step at that, too.

We humans have what no other life form on Earth has: sentience and awareness of the world above and beyond our individual selves. If we can't make the best of what we've been given, well, I guess we're just an evolutionary dead end. Pity. At least the party was good while it lasted...hehe.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby drew » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 19:32:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', ' ')so we can hear from the real loners.


OMFG, I'm a loner, but man does the bunch of you make me feel like a social butterfly!

REAL loners......

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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 22:09:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'h')owever, I am basically a pretty pleasant fellow, and I love to joke around with my friends and the children I teach.


Josef Stalin had the same characteristics. He could be surprisingly charming and gracious, socially. A real joker.

Not calling you Stalin. Just observing that the talk and the walk are often very different.
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Re: Are You a Loner?

Unread postby charliebrownout » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 13:39:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')ell? Are you, punk?

I am. All my life (since my earliest memories) I've been outside the crowd. Never quite fit in. Felt uncomfortable and awkward around strangers, and a sense of conflict and competition with them. Didn't have many friends, and didn't long keep the ones I had. Believed in nutty things like peak oil (although I didn't call it that then) and environmental collapse. Was attracted to the empty places, to forests, to animals. Disliked most of the mainstream stuff, like shopping, football, and McDonald's.

I'm prepared to be friendly with people, but I just don't know how to begin. It's as though those neuronal tracts are hopelessly stunted.

Share your thoughts about lonerdom, whether you are one or not.


I may dance to the beat of my own drum, but I'm not a loner. Having friends and family are the best part of being alive.

As for liking football and McDonald's to fit in, I think there are a lot of people who find American consumerism distasteful. Some people just don't talk about it as much.

Even among Mormon, white bread, stay-at-home moms you can find a few that wouldn't mind seeing the local golden arches reduced to smoldering ruins.

If people talked to each other openly and honestly, more people would probably be on the same page than not.
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