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Re: Paulson: US economy poised to strengthen by year end

Unread postby sicophiliac » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 01:18:08

Yeah maybe if this was your run of the mill bear market then yeah a rebound towards the end of the year would be likely, but as you all know this time the situation is quite a bit different. I am sure around 1930 you would hear the same sort of thing about how a turn around is just around the corner.
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Re: Paulson: US economy poised to strengthen by year end

Unread postby mefistofeles » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 01:30:57

I feel sorry for Paulson, I think he's a very intelligent man and he understands the economy.

I just wonder if telling lies still bothers him or whether he just accepts it as part of his job?

Maybe I'm too honest but I have much fewer qualms against lying via ommision than telling outright lies per see.

Or who knows maybe Paulson does believe this stuff. I was watching Bloomberg and I recall an otherwise sensible fund manager talking about how the oil bubble would burst. This manager was an intelligent man and he understood that the underlying earnings assumptions for the S&P 500 were out of touch with reality.

Yet he utterly failed to grasp peak oil, of course Bloomberg's always lovely Betty Liu was shaking her head in agreement.
Yet this fund manager got displayed absolutely no understanding of peakoil. NONE.

So who knows perhaps Paulson really does believe the party line. Of course we he was talking about closing down ibanks without bailing them out so perhaps there is more than meets the eye.
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Re: Paulson: US economy poised to strengthen by year end

Unread postby graham » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 06:22:48

This guy was on newsnight last night, trying to calm peoples fears of a recession/depression. You could actually see him shaking- he clearly didn't believe a word of what he was saying. Judging by what the reporter was asking (i forget her name,) he clearly knows about peak oil (as do the bbc) yet neither would utter the words.
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Banks sound but economy to take time: Paulson

Unread postby Ache » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 23:40:14

http://uk.reuters.com/article/companyNe ... dChannel=0

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy needs months to recover from its slowdown, but the banking system remains sound despite a home mortgage crisis that could cause more problems, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said.

Paulson also said on Sunday morning news programs he was optimistic Congress would approve the Bush administration's request for authority to shore up the troubled mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research).

The treasury secretary has been trying to reassure nervous financial markets and is scheduled to deliver an important speech on markets and the economy in New York on Tuesday.

"We're going to be in a period of slow growth for a while," Paulson told "Face the Nation" on CBS. "I think it's going to be months that we're working our way through this period."

High energy prices would prolong the slowdown, but the key to recovery was stabilizing the housing market, Paulson said.

He added that U.S. banking problems were manageable despite this month's highly publicized failure of mortgage lender IndyMac IDMC.PK bank.

The July 11 takeover of the bank by Federal regulators marked the third-largest bank failure in U.S. history. The lines of frustrated depositors outside its doors provided a stark illustration of the U.S. home financing crisis.

"Our banking system is a safe and a sound one," Paulson insisted on CNN's "Late Edition."

He had earlier told CBS, the list of troubled banks would grow. But "this is a very manageable situation ... our regulators are focused on it."

Five U.S. banks have failed this year, compared with an annual average of about 250 during the U.S. savings-and-loan industry crisis in the 1980s, Paulson said..

99 PERCENT HEALTHY

He said about 99 percent of the 8,500 U.S. banks, holding about 99 percent of bank assets, fell into the highest category of capitalization, a measure of financial health.

However at the end of the last quarter, the number of problem banks on the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.'s watch list rose to 90 with combined assets of $26 billion, up from 76 with $22 billion at the end of 2007.

Ensuring confidence in U.S. financial markets was crucial to reviving the housing industry and the broader economy, Paulson said.

To that end it was essential that Congress approve the stability plan for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are responsible for 70 percent of U.S. home loans.

Treasury asked Congress for unlimited authority to lend money to the troubled mortgage companies and to buy their stock if necessary to inject fresh capital. Some Republican lawmakers have balked at the prospect of a blank check that could cost U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars.

But Paulson told CBS he was "very optimistic we're going get what we need from Congress here, because Congress understands how important these institutions are."

The stability package would be accompanied by stronger regulation and oversight of the two banks, he said.

In an interview with the Financial Times published on Saturday, Sen. Richard Shelby, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, said he believed legislation shaped around the administration's rescue plan could reach the president before Congress takes a summer break at the end of the month.
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Re: Banks sound but economy to take time: Paulson

Unread postby Blewbird » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 07:32:25

I don't think they should pay off Fannie mae and Freeddie Mac, but they should pay off the loans themselves and give the people their houses.

Why pay the billionaires? Help your people now and then.
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Re: Banks sound but economy to take time: Paulson

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 10:33:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blewbird', ' ')give the people their houses.


"Their" houses? Many of these people had no equity (zero down) in their houses to begin with, and now many have negative equity.

"Their" house is no more theirs than it is mine, some stranger that they've never met. In fact, if the bailouts go through, I may end up "owning" a portion of more of these houses than I could ever dream of. What joy! :roll:
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Re: Banks sound but economy to take time: Paulson

Unread postby manu » Mon 21 Jul 2008, 10:37:28

Watching Paulson on CNN was like watching a corpse talk. Paulson speaks for his puppet masters. Sickening.
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China Threatened Paulson Over F&F...800B later....

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Re: China Threatened Paulson Over F&F...800B later....

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 21:34:06

Some here might remember I started talking about the upcoming demise of Fannie in 2005. That's when it became apparent to the Treasury Secretary at that time that Fannie would not survive in its present form once the extent of its profits - actually lack thereof - became well known. So to give the markets the appearance of normalcy, they somehow got China to shift much of its foreign exchange reserves from Treasuries to agencies (F & F).

Obviously something must have been promised to get China on board, and that was the sub-rosa bailout plan to have the US treasury back agencies when they started to fail.

This has nothing to do with confidence but much to do with having the US taxpayer bail out a private corporation from bankruptcy. Well eventually they actually won't even stop that, but as far as the Fed-Treasury are concerned the financial system is somewhat functioning while they are still in office.
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Re: China Threatened Paulson Over F&F...800B later....

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 21:40:32

When the lender comes to the borrower and says, "show us you'll make good on this dog of a loan we made you [ . . . or you get no further loans]," shockingly, the desired effect is rendered.
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Re: China Threatened Paulson Over F&F...800B later....

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 21:41:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')emise of Fannie in 2005.

I remember this quite well.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'e')ventually they actually won't even stop that, but as far as they are concerned the financial system is still functioning while they are still in office.

This is what is worrying me, frankly. The game can only go on as long as the investors (China, Russia, Saudi) believe that the US government can prop up the whole thing.

When they lose this confidence, there really will be hell to pay.
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Re: China Threatened Paulson Over F&F...800B later....

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 21:58:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')emise of Fannie in 2005.

I remember this quite well.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'e')ventually they actually won't even stop that, but as far as they are concerned the financial system is still functioning while they are still in office.

This is what is worrying me, frankly. The game can only go on as long as the investors (China, Russia, Saudi) believe that the US government can prop up the whole thing.

When they lose this confidence, there really will be hell to pay.


Economist Roubini, much quoted at this site, says foreign central banks and SWFs have actually increased buying of US denominated debt (treasuries + agencies) - maybe to around a $500 billion annual rate. This may be because no one else can or will step up to buy dollars to finance the $700-800 billion annual trade deficit.

Perhaps needless to say, even with oil around $120, that trade deficit will probably be climibing further.

There probably comes a point when they just won't step up to the plate anymore to buy dollars. Words probably can't describe what would happen next.
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Re: China Threatened Paulson Over F&F...800B later....

Unread postby Snowrunner » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 01:36:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')here probably comes a point when they just won't step up to the plate anymore to buy dollars. Words probably can't describe what would happen next.


This day may come soon.

For now, the Olympics are what keeps China financing the US. They want successful games, it's a marketing thing for them and they will be damned if some like a global recession (or depression) is going to intervene.

Once the Olympics are over though....

Additionally, in 2000 the Chinese announced a plan to bring 1/3 of their population into the "middle class" over the next 10 years, that would be done by 2010.

My entire outlook centered on that date, as I believed afterwards all bets are off, but as they already fired warning shots in the spring of 2007 I think we may see this one come at us much much sooner.
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Paulson leaving in January...

Unread postby Roccland » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 11:42:02

Rats bailing off ship...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON, Aug 10 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in an interview aired on Sunday he had no interest in staying in his post beyond January when a new administration takes office.

"I look forward to doing other things next year," Paulson said on NBC television's "Meet the Press." The interview was taped on Saturday in China.

"I'm going to run right up until the end," he said. "I'm focused on getting everything done I can get done between now and January 19th."

In March, Paulson proposed overhauling the U.S. financial regulatory system and giving more powers to the Federal Reserve in the wake of the financial market upheaval that exposed gaping holes in oversight. (Reporting by Emily Kaiser and Andy Sullivan, editing by Alan Elsner)

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinan....
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Re: Paulson leaving in January...

Unread postby Cashmere » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 12:20:36

Obama.

The man who will be holding the bag and whose unfortunate timing is going to prompt racists from all over to say, "<b><i>SEE? This is what happens when you put a black man in change.</b></i>.

Of course, white people are virtually 100% responsible for the mess we're in on this planet.
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Re: Paulson leaving in January...

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 12:29:15

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Re: Paulson leaving in January...

Unread postby Homesteader » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 13:32:00

Look for ADL at the front of the mob with foam around his mouth.
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Re: Paulson leaving in January...

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 14:57:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')f course, white people are virtually 100% responsible for the mess we're in on this planet.


No. Stupidity, gluttony, and greed are the causes of the mess we're in. Those attributes are not exclusively linked to "white people". Had Blacks, Hispanics, Semites, Asians, Desis and even Native Americans been in charge, I doubt much would change. We might have spent our oil and economy on different things, but, in the end, we'd end up the same: fucked.
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Re: Paulson leaving in January...

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 17:25:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'R')ats bailing off ship...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON, Aug 10 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in an interview aired on Sunday he had no interest in staying in his post beyond January when a new administration takes office.

"I look forward to doing other things next year," Paulson said on NBC television's "Meet the Press." The interview was taped on Saturday in China.

"I'm going to run right up until the end," he said. "I'm focused on getting everything done I can get done between now and January 19th."

In March, Paulson proposed overhauling the U.S. financial regulatory system and giving more powers to the Federal Reserve in the wake of the financial market upheaval that exposed gaping holes in oversight. (Reporting by Emily Kaiser and Andy Sullivan, editing by Alan Elsner)

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinan....
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Re: Paulson leaving in January...

Unread postby cube » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 18:20:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'O')bama.

The man who will be holding the bag and whose unfortunate timing is going to prompt racists from all over to say, "<b><i>SEE? This is what happens when you put a black man in change.</b></i>.
I think society has enough intelligence to realize a president cannot literally take the blame for everything.
We do have this thing called "Congress" / Legislative branch.

OOPS but isn't that what people are doing to GWB now?

Never mind I take my original statement back, Obama will get the blame for everything. :twisted:
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