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Re: Henry "Subprime is Contained" Paulson

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 22:37:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('article', 't')he bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be costless to taxpayers

I am nearly speechless! Now, *I* get to use this line: "What the bloddy 'ell ARE they smoking in DC? I'm no mental giant when it comes to math, but even I can see multiple problems with this action. Costless to taxpayers? Why? Have the Chinese already bought FM & FM?
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Re: Henry "Subprime is Contained" Paulson

Unread postby dorlomin » Tue 09 Sep 2008, 19:17:38

Subprime. Who cares anymore.

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What about alt A, option arm, HELOCs and all the other bogeymen. Subprime was the overture. The symphony is just about to get underway.
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Re: Henry "Subprime is Contained" Paulson

Unread postby aahala2 » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 10:23:52

"Subprime" Paulson is the financial equivalent of "Baghdad Bob".

It's about time George the lesser wrap his arm around him and
declare, "You're doing a good job, Henny." Then fire him the
next week.
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Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby cualcrees » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 10:36:41

Quick! Do it before anyone notices how bad they're getting f***ed!!

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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Eli » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 11:53:23

That is exactly what they are trying to do.

Here quick sign this Bill that will give the Treasury Secretary unlimited financial power, free of any and all legal oversight, so I can save everyone.

They can all go to hell as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 11:53:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')aulson and President Bush have argued that the alternative would be credit markets that remain frozen, meaning that businesses will fail because they can't get the loans they need to operate and the economy will grind to a halt because consumers, who account for two-thirds of economic activity, won't be able to get the credit they need to keep spending.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_ ... l_meltdown

Far be it from us to actually spend within our means! MUST KEEP SPENDING! Does this mean that my mailbox is going to be overflowing with pre-approved credit card applications again? I hate that.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 12:27:44

Let's see if this makes sense...

In an age where the CIA listening computers can isolate a single voice speaking on a pay phone line, ( 20 years ago).

In an age where carnivore reads and sorts every INTERNET email sent, and face recognition can identify every person in a crowded stadium. Where web enabled cameras can be scanned and license numbers of every vehicle passing a point can be read, identified,and threat assessed in comparison with normal activities of that owner..... The financial wellbeing of the entire planet needs the U S Treasury department to be given the BIGGEST BLANK CHECK BOOK IN HISTORY?

The deals are "too complicated to unravel and place blame" The crimes ( yes fraud is a crime) are too complicated to bother solving for those criminally responsible.

Just to appease those baby boomers who are watching the government seizure of their retirements and the future wealth of their children and grandchildren to recoup the losses to the mega rich for their "imprudent" lending and fraudulent bonding, the U S A government is adopting the nick name..."big brother and the holding company". Doesn't that make everyone feel better?

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Isn't "Hey you better do it quick" one of the warning signs of one of those 'too good to be true deal" scam artists?
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 13:47:55

This thing gets uglier and uglier as the plan unravels.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 13:49:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'I')sn't "Hey you better do it quick" one of the warning signs of one of those 'too good to be true deal" scam artists?


DING DING DING DING!!!!!
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Snowrunner » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 14:20:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')aulson and President Bush have argued that the alternative would be credit markets that remain frozen, meaning that businesses will fail because they can't get the loans they need to operate and the economy will grind to a halt because consumers, who account for two-thirds of economic activity, won't be able to get the credit they need to keep spending.


Oh that's cute. If their concern is small businesses, why not set up a Bank under Government control (not the ones they "inherited"), give them 50 billion and allow small businesses to apply loans there?

Would be cheaper, would have the "same" effect (okay, not really, it's about the banks and P&B's buddies, but I just claim they actually are honest for a moment here) and be done with it.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Denny » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 14:27:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')Isn't "Hey you better do it quick" one of the warning signs of one of those 'too good to be true deal" scam artists?


Its like the Congress and the entire population just snapped their jaw on the bait of a time share salesman.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 15:29:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')Isn't "Hey you better do it quick" one of the warning signs of one of those 'too good to be true deal" scam artists?


Its like the Congress and the entire population just snapped their jaw on the bait of a time share salesman.


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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 15:38:31

It's almost funny that this is touted as a quick solution to the financial mess, yet it doesn't address huge financial capital problems, the insolvency of the FDIC, nor does it help existing mortgage payers.

Also for some reason even so called financial experts seem to be ignoring the fact that borrowing $700 billion may cause extreme and unintended dislocations in the financial markets. Not to mention that since foreign banks are also being bbailed out, the withdrawal of bailout funds from the US could actually start a dollar meltdown.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Snowrunner » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 16:10:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'N')ot to mention that since foreign banks are also being bbailed out, the withdrawal of bailout funds from the US could actually start a dollar meltdown.


That's why Paulson is trying to twist some arms right now with the banks in Europe and Asia for them to do "similar" things.

I somewhat doubt he'll have success with that, I think we're going to see a "cut them lose" mentality soon.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 20:43:34

Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('William Greider', 'F')inancial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses--many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What's not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?

If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public--all sugar for the villains, lasting pain and damage for the victims.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')nly with these conditions, and some others, should the federal government be willing to take ownership--temporarily--of the rotten financial assets that are dragging down funds, banks and brokerages. Paulson and the Federal Reserve are trying to replay the bailout approach used in the 1980s for the savings and loan crisis, but this situation is utterly different. The failed S&Ls held real assets--property, houses, shopping centers--that could be readily resold by the Resolution Trust Corporation at bargain prices. This crisis involves ethereal financial instruments of unknowable value--not just the notorious mortgage securities but various derivative contracts and other esoteric deals that may be virtually worthless.


William Greider authored "Secrets Of The Temple", a history of the Federal Reserve.

I wonder how long it will be before we get an idea of the true worth of the assets the taxpayers now own? Something tells me this huge bailout is not going to just drift away down memory lane like the S&L crisis did.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 21:21:04

William Greider wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')inancial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses--many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What's not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?

If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public--all sugar for the villains, lasting pain and damage for the victims.



It's a swindel to compare this to the RTC. The RTC got the assets from failed S & Ls, and failed banks. This bails out existing financial firms.

I had originally thought a primary plan would be to acquire assets of failed firms, like F & F, Lehman, hold them, and then auction them off, so that the assets are not tied up in bankruptcy court for some time.

I suppose that this new fund could also be used to buy Lehman assets, but at least the shareholders and management don't stand to gain from this new fund.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 21:53:12

We can stop this thing. Let your voice be heard.

Go to the "You're Fired" thread here and use Leanan's links to register your concern or consternation to your legislators about these latest outrages.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby Cog » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 22:18:44

I agree this thing can be stopped if enough leverage is put on your representatives. Remember the immigration bill that got de-railed by the citizens?

Because more then anything else a Congressman fears getting tossed out of office. For him/her that is an economic risk not worth taking.
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Re: Paulson: We can’t wait for regulatory reform

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 22:23:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'W')e can stop this thing. Let your voice be heard.

Go to the "You're Fired" thread here and use Leanan's links to register your concern or consternation to your legislators about these latest outrages.


WHO are you going to replace them with after you fire them? Or lop off their heads?

Sorry a mass firing of the numbskulls in Congress will NOT change this situation AT ALL. Its already a done deal. The sham of a democratic America is finished.

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Paulson to steal all the cash in America

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 23:07:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to Wikipedia, 700 billion is 100% of ALL THE CASH IN CIRCULATION used
throughout the United States. (in 2007)


http://patrick.net/housing/contrib/paulson_home.html
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