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Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth

Postby nobodypanic » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 15:01:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonsieurX', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'h')ydrocarbons are a renewable resource on titan.

On Earth too.

excellent point.

now if they would only rain from the sky like on titan. :-D
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Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth

Postby Jenab6 » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 17:45:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'N')o I am addicted to hydrocarbons and I say let's suck every last drop out of TITAN. Might as well face it, we're addicted to oil!

If you were part of a colony orbiting Titan, those hydrocarbons would probably make a dandy energy resource in combination with oxygen extracted from nearby ice. Assuming that the colony never, for reasons of other habitat limitations, exceeded 10,000 people, the Titan resource might last a billion years.
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CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby KevO » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 15:41:04

You couldn't make this up.
An announcement the very same day that they confirm water on Mars - so the oil space race is on. what a pipeline this'll be. Go China!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')esearchers have spotted a liquid lake on Saturn's moon Titan, making that moon the first celestial body shown to have fluid on its surface. But this isn't a lake you'd want to swim in -- it's made up of ethane, one of the components of crude oil.
Scientists identified the ethane lake, which is about the size of Lake Ontario on Earth, using instruments onboard the Cassini spacecraft, NASA announced Wednesday. The orbiter has been studying Saturn and its moons since 2004.
"This is the first observation that really pins down that Titan has a surface lake filled with liquid," lead researcher Robert Brown, a professor of planetary science at The University of Arizona, said in a statement.
Scientists had long theorized that hydrocarbons like ethane might rain down on Titan's surface, creating bodies of water. Cassini spotted the lake in December, NASA said, and scientists confirmed that it was liquid ethane by studying the way it absorbed and reflected infrared light.

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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby joeltrout » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 15:45:28

What is the good of deep space exploration?

Wouldn't those billions of dollars be better spent inside US soil rather than Saturn and Mars?

I understand local space travel is essential for everday things like cell phones and tv but I can't figure out deep space travel.

How do they justify the cost?

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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby Ferretlover » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 15:46:22

Just keeping that hope alive, folks. "Don't worry about running out of resources here on Earth. If we ever do run out, we'll just get whatever we need from another planet. No Sweat!" :lol:
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby KevO » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 15:52:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'J')ust keeping that hope alive, folks. "Don't worry about running out of resources here on Earth. If we ever do run out, we'll just get whatever we need from another planet. No Sweat!" :lol:


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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby Concerned » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 15:55:17

It would be like running a garden hose from the exhaust of your car into the interior.

But Im sure we can DO IT!! Heck imagine all the profits and growth.
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby Tyler_JC » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 16:32:31

If we found flawless diamonds the size of bowling balls on the moon, they wouldn't be worth harvesting based on the expenses involved.

But we are somehow going to profitably extract oil that sells for less than a dollar a pound from Titan?

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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby DefiledEngine » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 16:34:31

What happened to the funny signature here on peakoil.com "Earth first! We'll strip mine the other planets later"?
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby cualcrees » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 16:47:58

I don't understand; wasn't oil supposed to have organic origins; like from algae? What created this oil in Saturn's moon?
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby Homesteader » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 16:54:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cualcrees', 'I') don't understand; wasn't oil supposed to have organic origins; like from algae? What created this oil in Saturn's moon?

Well, what they found was ethane, not oil.

Ethane: "Atmospheric ethane results from the Sun's photochemical action on methane gas, also present in these atmospheres: ultraviolet photons of shorter wavelengths than 160 nm can photo-dissociate the methane molecule into a methyl radical and a hydrogen atom. When two methyl radicals recombine, the result is ethane:

CH4 → CH3• + •H
CH3• + •CH3 → C2H6

In the case of Titan, it was once widely hypothesized that ethane produced in this fashion rained back onto the moon's surface, and over time had accumulated into hydrocarbon seas or oceans covering much of the moon's surface. Infrared telescopic observations cast significant doubt on this hypothesis, and the Huygens probe, which landed on Titan in 2005, failed to observe any surface liquids, although it did photograph features that could be presently dry drainage channels. In December 2007 the Cassini probe found at least one lake at Titan's south pole, now called Ontario Lacus because of the lake's similar area to Lake Ontario on Earth (approximately 20,000 km²). Further analysis of infrared spectroscopic data presented in July 2008[2] provided stronger evidence for the presence of liquid ethane in Ontario Lacus.

In 1996, ethane was detected in Comet Hyakutake, and it has since been detected in some other comets. The existence of ethane in these distant solar system bodies may implicate ethane as a primordial component of the solar nebula from which the sun and planets are believed to have formed."
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby Starvid » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 17:01:58

That lake must contain many, many times as much as all oil fields on earth, which if pooled would fill lake Geneva.
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby emersonbiggins » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 17:04:37

Is it space elevator time yet? :)
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby cualcrees » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 17:06:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cualcrees', 'I') don't understand; wasn't oil supposed to have organic origins; like from algae? What created this oil in Saturn's moon?

Well, what they found was ethane, not oil.

Ethane: "Atmospheric ethane results from the Sun's photochemical action on methane gas, also present in these atmospheres: ultraviolet photons of shorter wavelengths than 160 nm can photo-dissociate the methane molecule into a methyl radical and a hydrogen atom. When two methyl radicals recombine, the result is ethane:
CH4 → CH3• + •H
CH3• + •CH3 → C2H6

In the case of Titan, it was once widely hypothesized that ethane produced in this fashion rained back onto the moon's surface, and over time had accumulated into hydrocarbon seas or oceans covering much of the moon's surface. Infrared telescopic observations cast significant doubt on this hypothesis, and the Huygens probe, which landed on Titan in 2005, failed to observe any surface liquids, although it did photograph features that could be presently dry drainage channels. In December 2007 the Cassini probe found at least one lake at Titan's south pole, now called Ontario Lacus because of the lake's similar area to Lake Ontario on Earth (approximately 20,000 km²). Further analysis of infrared spectroscopic data presented in July 2008[2] provided stronger evidence for the presence of liquid ethane in Ontario Lacus.

In 1996, ethane was detected in Comet Hyakutake, and it has since been detected in some other comets. The existence of ethane in these distant solar system bodies may implicate ethane as a primordial component of the solar nebula from which the sun and planets are believed to have formed." Ethane

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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby Homesteader » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 17:40:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'T')hat lake must contain many, many times as much as all oil fields on earth, which if pooled would fill lake Geneva

Except they are saying it is ethane. Would all the ethane fields in the world fill Lake Geneva? Probably not since it would be in gaseous form.
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby Twilight » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 17:41:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', 'W')hat happened to the funny signature here on peakoil.com "Earth first! We'll strip mine the other planets later"?

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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby cipi604 » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 18:03:59

OK we have it! Ethane from Titan, but.... but oxygen from where?
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby CarlosFerreira » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 18:14:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', 'O')K we have it! Ethane from Titan, but.... but oxygen from where?

Now you're being picky! There's probably bucketloads of the stuff in another problem. If not, technology will find a way to produce oxygen from trash. Or algae.
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Re: CRUDE OIL FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON TITAN

Postby JPL » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 18:33:17

I'd just love to do the EROEI on that one (grin).

Now 10% U235 on the moon - that might be do-able (just about). Except it's all just light rocks & basalt. Rats. Ho humm...

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