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Postby BlisteredWhippet » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 15:58:31

Without a condom??

Are you immune to syphillis, gonorhea, herpes, or pregnancy?

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Postby DriveElectric » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 16:26:50

Or you could just get married and don't cheat on your spouse. Or is that too boring?
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Postby threadbear » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 16:34:25

Lorenzo, I'm Scandinavian background and a doctor told my mother that I was likely naturally immune to small pox. He told her that since I was vaccinated 3 times and had no reaction to the vaccine , this is what he concluded. Wonder if it would be the same for aids? Not like I'm going to rush out to find out.
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Postby Dezakin » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 17:00:27

Immune is the wrong word.

Resistant to certain clades is more appropriate. If you shoot up blood from an AIDS patient with a high viral load, especially the wrong clade, you're going to live a lot shorter than you normally would, resistance or no.
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Postby lorenzo » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 17:19:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'I')mmune is the wrong word. Resistant to certain clades is more appropriate. If you shoot up blood from an AIDS patient with a high viral load, especially the wrong clade, you're going to live a lot shorter than you normally would, resistance or no.

Please read the article in Nature. The CCR5 mutant, named CCR5-delta32 makes it impossible for the immune system to become infected with the HIV-virus.
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Postby lotrfan55345 » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 17:25:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'I')mmune is the wrong word. Resistant to certain clades is more appropriate. If you shoot up blood from an AIDS patient with a high viral load, especially the wrong clade, you're going to live a lot shorter than you normally would, resistance or no.

But isn't that mutation make the T-cells immune to all retroviruses?
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Postby lorenzo » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 17:37:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'W')ithout a condom? Are you immune to syphillis, gonorhea, herpes, or pregnancy? :twisted:

That's the least of my worries! You don't die from herpes. And there's the pill for anticonception. But if it is true that 10% of all Europeans are immune to HIV, I want to find out at once whether I'm one of the lucky ones.

This would take such a heavy weight off an entire generations' back. We have suffered so hard under the idea that "sex can be lethal". Pre-AIDS generations may have had their worries about herpes and ghonorrea, but the threat of HIV infection is something totally different and a gazillion times more depressing. It has basically ruined the sexual lives of an entire generation of people.
Delta32 may finally bring some relief to some.
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Postby lorenzo » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 17:39:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DriveElectric', 'O')r you could just get married and don't cheat on your spouse. Or is that too boring?

1. That's not a very realistic option for normal young people, who want to have sex before marriage, and enjoy it as much as they can.
2. And even if I were married, I would still want to know if I'm "delta32" and if my wife is too (because both parents must be "delta32" to have kids that are immune to HIV).
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Postby Dezakin » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 18:05:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'B')ut isn't that mutation make the T-cells immune to all retroviruses?

No. It only gums one receptor for retroviral infiltration, and there are several others, CD4 the most notable.
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Postby 0mar » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 18:42:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DriveElectric', 'O')r you could just get married and don't cheat on your spouse. Or is that too boring?

DUH! :)
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Postby Specop_007 » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 22:41:14

Considering the rate at which AIDS mutates I wouldnt put much faith in 10% being immune.
Give it 3 years, the current strain will have mutated enough those 10% are no longer immune.
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Postby Barbara » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 04:22:39

specop, you're just jealous because us Europeans are superhumans. :lol:
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Postby BlisteredWhippet » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 04:32:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'W')ithout a condom? Are you immune to syphillis, gonorhea, herpes, or pregnancy?
That's the least of my worries! You don't die from herpes. And there's the pill for anticonception. But if it is true that 10% of all Europeans are immune to HIV, I want to find out at once whether I'm one of the lucky ones. This would take such a heavy weight off an entire generations' back. We have suffered so hard under the idea that "sex can be lethal".

I appreciate what you're saying, although what the stats really show is that 90% of all Europeans are possible HIV/AIDS carriers. Your individual chances at 10% are pretty small, sorry.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')re-AIDS generations may have had their worries about herpes and ghonorrea, but the threat of HIV infection is something totally different and a gazillion times more depressing. It has basically ruined the sexual lives of an entire generation of people. Delta32 may finally bring some relief to some.

For the lucky people, sure. But I thought the sexual revolution was more philosophic than simply a matter of safety. I don't see "free love" philosophies coming back just because of this. The Delta32 community might start looking like a giant swingers club but I doubt it.
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Postby lorenzo » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 07:44:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'Y')our individual chances at 10% are pretty small, sorry.

Huh? Pretty small? They're one in ten!! Millions of people play at the lottery each day, where chances are 1 in ten million. If I have a one in ten chance of being immune to HIV, I'd want to find out.
If I'm not, then so be it, everything stays the same, but at least then I know.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'F')or the lucky people, sure.

We're talking about 75 million people.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', ' ')But I thought the sexual revolution was more philosophic than simply a matter of safety.

It was, before HIV came around. In pre-AIDS times, people could talk about a sexual revolution and enjoy it. Unfortunately, my generation hasn't had that luxury and is living in the age of fake terror wars and HIV.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', ' ')I don't see "free love" philosophies coming back just because of this.

That's not the point. The point is that we get a bit of that horrendous weight off our backs. We are bombarded on a daily basis by stories about how we're all going to die tomorrow, whether it be because of terror, global warming, SARS, Peak Oil, AIDS, bird flu, poisoned food, BSE, or Bush. I'm tired of it.
I want to know if I'm delta32, and if I am, I'm going to have the best sex of my life, and say "fvkk off" to all scare-mongers on this planet. They hide behind every corner.
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Postby Ludi » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 09:12:37

I believe they're still doing studies at the UT Health Science Center in San Antonio, TX, if you want to fly in and get your blood tested, lorenzo. My family carries the ccr5 mutation. link
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Postby Dezakin » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 13:39:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'I') want to know if I'm delta32, and if I am, I'm going to have the best sex of my life, and say "fvkk off" to all scare-mongers on this planet.

Thats not how it works. People with the ccr5 receptor mutation have a slightly lower chance of contracting a few clades of HIV. If a vaccine was introduced that gave everyone protection on the ccr5 receptor, it would have the effect of vaccinating the population through the slow attrition of infections. This does not grant the individual immunity. You still have the CXCR4 receptor wide open on just HIV-1, along with CCR3 and CCR8 for other clades. Its fairly plausible that other chemokine receptors are open to other strains of HIV: link and link
Its more like playing russian roulette with 3 barrels loaded instead of 5.
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Postby lotrfan55345 » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 17:22:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'B')ut isn't that mutation make the T-cells immune to all retroviruses?
No. It only gums one receptor for retroviral infiltration, and there are several others, CD4 the most notable.

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Postby Specop_007 » Wed 16 Mar 2005, 10:31:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 's')pecop, you're just jealous because us Europeans are superhumans. :lol:

You got me. :oops: You wanna be my SuperWoman? :-D
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Over 8,000 AIDS cases in Saudi Arabia

Postby BabyPeanut » Fri 02 Sep 2005, 12:18:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=1499]Over 8,000 AIDS cases in Saudi Arabia (link)[/url]

Sept 1, 2005

RIYADH, (KUNA) -- By the end of 2004, the number of persons infected by the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) in Saudi Arabia has reached 8,919 cases, which is a 10 percent increase, said Thursday a Saudi official.

In a statement to Al-Iqtisadiyah newspaper, Saudi Arabia Health Ministry's Spokesperson Dr. Khaled Merghalani said 22.4 percent of the cases are Saudis in which 646 of them have passed away, while 6,915 of the cases were expatriates.

In the Middle-East, he explained, the number of cases has reached 1.5 million by the end of 2004, adding that the main reason for the infection is sexually related.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), there are about 40 million AIDS cases broken down into 17.6 million cases for women, three million cases for children and 37 million cases for individuals over 15 years of age.
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AIDS patients who stay healthy

Postby PrairieMule » Thu 17 Aug 2006, 13:35:44

This is not exactly oil related but I was facinated when stumbled across this article today. Apperently 1 in 300 HIV infected never degrade in health +10 years after infection. I guess that includes Magic Johnson. link

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