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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby Twilight » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 16:27:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', 'd')o you think the US Govt might be giving itself a bailout by postponing the tough decisions and giving the problem to the next one?

"You broke it!"

Yes. I do not expect any tough decisions to be taken by this administration. The action we have seen so far is more postponement than radical.
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby DantesPeak » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 19:51:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', 'O')K, let's get this straight. I've heard the news, and there has been a public speech by Bernanke and Paulson, they went to the Congress to ask for a You-are-free-from-jail card to hold these guys, plus Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Nice. Pretty much what you said.
So, coupled with the mounting cost of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus the whole economic turmoil and the mounting pressure from Peak Oil, the US Govt. might run the printers to essentially create money out of nothing. Inflation follows.
Thing is, Asian countries with dollar reserves are already dumping dollars worth less and less in the market. So, even more money than the one being created artificially to supress the need for imaginary money.

Dollar loses more and more value, so dropping the rates will evidently won't help. Somewhere ahead, they will have to face the grim reality (after the elections, do you think), and raise the rates. That will essentially paralyze an economy that's already in life support. Will kill it to reset.
So, if my thinking is right, do you think the US Govt might be giving itself a bailout by postponing the tough decisions and giving the problem to the next one?
As we say here in Portugal, last man out please turn off the lights...

Well put.
Basically the US succeeds because it is an empire, but an empire where the US dollar must be accepted to function.
The problem is not that other countries won't support the dollar, they will, but the price they want paid for that support. That price is higher interest rates.

Even then, the US is on the verge of having an unmanagable trade deficit (due to high energy prices) and all bailout schemes will eventually fail.
I had thought the US could differ the economic collapse until 2010, but apparently PO is not cooperating (net oil available to importers are falling fairly signficantly already). So the US dollar may stand for one more year, but that's about it.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby DantesPeak » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 19:58:56

The NEW IndyMac.

Same as the old one.

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A long line of customers enter IndyMac Federal Bank Monday at IndyMac headquarters in Pasadena, Calif., to pull as much money as they can from the failed financial institution.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat if my bank fails? Some questions and answers
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Monday, July 14th 2008, 5:34 PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - The government's seizure of IndyMac Bank raises concerns for many consumers about whether their banks might be next.
While it is unlikely the nation will see thousands of banks fail as they did during the savings and loan industry collapse in the late 1980s and early '90s, analysts predict there will be more battered financial institutions that are unable to survive in today's marketplace.
"IndyMac's failure is certainly a broader issue," said Eva Weber, an analyst at Aite Group, a financial services research firm. "Those who are trenched in more risky business, who are feeling more heavy losses, may be at more risk."

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Those in a risky business may be more at risk? WT???
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby Snowrunner » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 03:01:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'C')ommunists will also screw you up.
I know communists screw us up. But at least they do it in such a way that you think it's in the interest of the Common Good. :-D

I would put that different. In the Soviet Union (and it's Sattelites) everybody knew they were lied to and just ignored it and went their way, trying to do things in small groups to get to where they needed to.
In modern Capitalism, not only do people believe the lies they are being told, they are also accepting that if something big goes wrong it was their fault.
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby Snowrunner » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 03:04:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'I') had thought the US could differ the economic collapse until 2010, but apparently PO is not cooperating (net oil available to importers are falling fairly signficantly already). So the US dollar may stand for one more year, but that's about it.
Ah, I see I am not the only one who sees an accelerated crash coming our way (and by that I mean world wide).
I pretty much expected to see what we're seeing right now in 2010 as well, we're two years ahead of schedule, which makes me wonder what else I have misjudged.

Wonder what will be left standing in 2009.....
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby Homesteader » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 08:30:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')he NEW IndyMac.

Same as the old one.

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A long line of customers enter IndyMac Federal Bank Monday at IndyMac headquarters in Pasadena, Calif., to pull as much money as they can from the failed financial institution.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat if my bank fails? Some questions and answers
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Monday, July 14th 2008, 5:34 PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - The government's seizure of IndyMac Bank raises concerns for many consumers about whether their banks might be next.
While it is unlikely the nation will see thousands of banks fail as they did during the savings and loan industry collapse in the late 1980s and early '90s, analysts predict there will be more battered financial institutions that are unable to survive in today's marketplace.
"IndyMac's failure is certainly a broader issue," said Eva Weber, an analyst at Aite Group, a financial services research firm. "Those who are trenched in more risky business, who are feeling more heavy losses, may be at more risk."

NY Daily News

Those in a risky business may be more at risk? WT???


It must take years of advanced financial education to make such statements with authority. (absolutely no disrespect intended to any posters with a financial background)
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby Ferretlover » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 08:33:40

It's going to be quite interesting to see what the common man/bank customers do now and how they affect the financial markets.
All those 10,000 plus IndyMac customers are going to be leary of depositing their money anywhere; furthermore, they are going to talk to family and friends, and get Them worked up, too. Be on the lookout for reports of bank runs.
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby Twilight » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 13:55:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')he NEW IndyMac.

Same as the old one.


Better never than late, in this case. Just as with Northern Rock, IMB depositors now bank with the safest bank in the country. Pulling money out now is idiotic.

I can understand a desire to obtain a written record of the current balance, and maybe a desire to pull money out based on the principle some hold that one does not deal with a failed business (especially if it left you out of pocket), but this is now after the fact. The rational fear phase is over for them. It is all irrationality now, with a good measure of ignorance of the basics of how these things work.

They could actually be lucky. Northern Rock essentially became a treasury gilt account paying 2% over the real thing, with one-year maturity. That would be nothing to complain about for those that didn't lose money.
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby Sixstrings » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 20:28:53

Just spotted this story on Drudge Report:

"Police ordered angry customers lined up outside an IndyMac Bank branch to remain calm or face arrest.."

Full article:
http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9887404
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Re: IndyMac Bank shut down by Federal Government

Postby DantesPeak » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 20:38:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')he NEW IndyMac.

Same as the old one.


Better never than late, in this case. Just as with Northern Rock, IMB depositors now bank with the safest bank in the country. Pulling money out now is idiotic.

I can understand a desire to obtain a written record of the current balance, and maybe a desire to pull money out based on the principle some hold that one does not deal with a failed business (especially if it left you out of pocket), but this is now after the fact. The rational fear phase is over for them. It is all irrationality now, with a good measure of ignorance of the basics of how these things work.

They could actually be lucky. Northern Rock essentially became a treasury gilt account paying 2% over the real thing, with one-year maturity. That would be nothing to complain about for those that didn't lose money.


I agree with your points, but look what they've done here in the first day - stop foreclosures. We didn't vote for this, and I am not happy to see my government funds paying the mortgage of some who aren't.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ndyMac Reopens, Halts Foreclosures on Its Loans. “IndyMac Bancorp Inc., the failed thrift, reopened its doors under federal control Monday and [announced it was] halting all foreclosures on the mortgages it owns. FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair, who has been one of the most outspoken officials calling for banks to ease up on struggling homeowners, said that the agency is "really focused" on keeping borrowers in their homes for both their sakes and to maximize IndyMac's value for taxpayers… the FDIC has much more flexibility to intervene with the roughly $15 billion of loans that were owned by IndyMac. But IndyMac also was handling another roughly $185 billion in mortgages in its servicing business.” (Wall St. Journal, July 15th)


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